Joe Rogan, Shapiro, and j Peterson is what you called pseudo-intellectuals
The problem with this world is that a lot of people enjoy EVERYTHING on a surface level.
I keep getting reminded of my “gamer” years when I played league of legends. When I started, I was clueless and bad. And I found a YouTube channel which made fun educational videos.
Initially I learned a lot but over time, I realized how bad the advice was at times, which changed my consumption of the content. At the end, the content didn’t teach me anything and the suggestions of the creator seemed to be focused on messing with bad players and not actually playing good.
I started to watch better players and learned more from them.
To me, fans of these guys stopped at the first step. They want educational content but they don’t actually want to learn and so don’t actually think about the content and can’t outgrow it.
Rogan, Peterson (and probably even Shapiro, I dunno) do give good info or advice once in awhile, but it’s not anything that you couldn’t get somewhere else without all of the baggage.
To me the problem is content vs entertainment.
Joe Rogan has no content. He is not an expert, but somehow he is able to make the podcast, populated by morons, enjoyable by it’s audience. So if a person has to choose between Rogan, with a pseudoscientist in it, or a PhD, which is extremely prepared but does not know how to present his knowledge (either overcomplicated for the general masses, or plain boring), 90% of the people will watch Rogan.
Going to your LoL: the most successful streamers where not the best players, but the pros who manage to keep the chat entertained.
Another example are university professors: the most knowledgeable are usually not the best teachers, because knowing a subject and presenting it are two completely different skill sets.
That’s the sad reality of today online content
They grew up being told the answer and these guys specialize in telling people “the answer”. The issue is they are frequently providing the wrong answer.
Shapiro and Peterson both have post graduate degrees. Peterson actually taught at a university level. They are intellectuals they are also just wrong about many of their opinions
Shapiro only has a B.A.
Peterson is fully qualified to talk on psychological markers for alcoholism, and a broad range of clinical psychology, and not much else.
They are both (educated) bullshit merchants, not intellectuals. Intellectuals are honest.except peterson because a pseodointellectual, when he decided to treat his benzo addiction, by going to russia and inducing a coma, which caused brain damage.
Exactly. Peterson taught psychology at a university (and even the quality of his lectures have been brought into question, but we’ll ignore that), and that somehow makes him an authority to talk about global warming and how all climate scientists are wrong because you can’t model something like that, it makes him an authority to talk about the nazis and how Hitler was actually guided by the people as he spoke only what they reacted positively to, he’s also an authority on economics when he says how the famine in the Soviet Union was caused by the communists killing all the smart and disciplined farmers, etc etc.
How can anyone seriously listen to a guy who said that women who complain about sexual harassment while wearing makeup are hypocrites is beyond me.
This is nice read on the topic: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
Ben Shapiro has a JD. Like I said he’s educated. He’s just wrong about a lot of things
“He then attended Harvard Law School, where he studied under liberal law professors Lani Guinier and Randall Kennedy.[10][11] In 2007, Shapiro graduated from Harvard with a Juris Doctor, cum laude.[12]@
Meh, JD is an entry-level law qualification: “in Canada, it is considered a second-entry bachelor’s degree.” [Wikipedia] In any case, it’s a professional qualification, not an academic one.
That is absolutely incorrect. A JD is a juris doctorate and is considered a postgraduate degree in the United States. There are some places where law degrees are granted at the bachelor’s level, but not the US. You’re making the same mistake as the Rogan crowd here by looking at a surface level, single sentence from Wikipedia (which is referring to the Canadian system btw). The law degree itself is only “entry level” because JD holders have to pass a licensure exam (the "professional qualification) before they are allowed to be practicing attorneys. There are quite a few people who have law degrees, but don’t take the exam because they intend to use their law degrees in other ways.
Ok fair enough. I am not familiar with the American academic legal system. I do not appreciate being likened to the “Rogan crowd”.
The fact about it being a professional qualification rather than an academic one stands, then, I take it?Is English not your first language?
The JD is a doctorate level degree granted by law schools, and American law schools only accept people who already have a bachelor’s level education at a minimum. Like I said in my other comment, the bar exam is the exam people with JD degrees can take to become licensed attorneys. their membership in the Bar Association is their professional qualification.
I honestly don’t know. It’s amazing that it doesn’t happen more often.
I like her husband’s response, though.
Wait before you want “hysterical” women again please. Lots of doctors got their jollies off on “hysterical” women…
Have you seen that Courtney Cox show, Shining Vale?
no.
Check it out - give it a second to settle in before judging.
The “hysterical paroxysm” thing is mostly a myth. The book that brought that idea to the popular imagination was mostly bullshit.
which book?
I cringed
I think it’s adorable that you think they’d listen to a male scientist who told them they were being idiots.
Good for hubby.
Doctors and PhD’s are not necessarily intellectuals.
Who said that they were?
“if men listened to actual intellectuals like the doctor you’re addressing…”
Ok so like this shouldn’t be too hard to explain. I assume this is your first time on this planet? Well it doesn’t matter. Sometimes someone will say or imply two separate things in the same sentence. An example might be something like ‘have you seen my new green pencil?’. Now these things might not always have a relation – new and green do not necessarily imply one another. But they have a semantic link nonetheless. Doctor does not necessarily imply intellectual, but may be considered relevant. Idk man stop getting upset
Like the doctor. Not a doctor.
Why mention that she’s a doctor, why is it necessary in that moment?
“if €Gender would …” - time to say: “No.”
Sometimes I want an AI just to block every and all mentions of that American ‘podcaster’.
Great comeback.
In a normal society, there would be high pressure against this kind of behavior, and people would need to be tested at least once a year to stay educated. You don’t really have free will if you can’t make rational choices.
I personally resist the urge to kill by playing PvP games
Trust me, we don’t.
NO I DON’T BELIEVE YOU
This is a bit embarrassing maybe, but I have actually enjoyed listening to a couple of episodes of the Joe Rogan podcast. In the few episodes I have listened to he has been able to get some good conversations going.
One could easily and rightfully criticize him platforming a lot of his guests, but this is where it gets a bit tricky.
He gives a voice to people that has interesting things to say, that in some way contribute in society or contributes to a discussion, and people that are completely psychotic. The latter should not be platformed, both for their own good and society. Alex Jones was an example of that. Joe Rogan should have stopped that episode in its tracks, or not have aired it.
I stopped listening more as a sort of boycott, not because I could not find any sort of value in his episodes sometimes.
He more often gives platforms to people who say nothing, and a whole lot of it that. He also tends to platform insane and downright evil people and lets them say whatever bullshit they want with zero questions, zero feedback, zero incredulity, thus making them look legitimate in the eyes of his followers.
He is a very dangerous man.
I stopped listening because a few of the doctors or scientists he has had on before. Rogan hadn’t read their book, didn’t know anything about them nor could be keep any sort of useful conversation going and I found other podcasts of actual smart people who can converse and have discourse with intellectuals and I can learn something. Jordan Harbinger is the best example of this.
I wish people would stop giving the Joe Rogans and Rush Limbaughs of the world more attention than they deserve. Debating whether they’re right or wrong about anything just gives them more legitimacy than they deserve. They’re a sideshow. They’re hucksters waving their hands and making noise to make a buck.
They’re hucksters waving their hands and making noise to make a buck.
Yup.
They’ve learned that doing outrageous things and pissing people off makes the line go up and so they’re going to keep doing that regardless of the consequences to discourse in society because it puts money in their pocket
I’m sorry but I have a neuroscience degree and I think this is a fart sniffing post. The broader point is real though
doctors can have really shit opinions too
the real message is: every opinion must be scrutinized heavily, if it stands scrutiny maybe there’s something there
In my experience doctors can have some of the absolute worst opinions. Especially highly educated speciality doctors who have spent 1/3 of their life doing nothing but studying their very specific field. Lawyers too.
I work in IT and they can be some of the worst users to work with.
Specialists are experts in their field. Much like many of the IT people they fall into the trap of “Im smart because my job requires it so therefore every opinion I have is intelligent” and that simply isn’t how it really works.
Honestly this is true of many smart people in specialized professions
Infamously software developers are fucking knuckle dragging morons about anything that has nothing to do with what they’re good at, but they think they’re god kings and think the world works like a computer
The only hallmark of intelligence I subscribe to is when someone just acknowledges they don’t know everything and listen. Everyone else is doom spiraling into thought terminating patterns while thinking they’re right
I like to make the distinction between competence and intelligence. There are some overlaps, but they are mostly distinct.
Life is just a big design pattern. ☕︎☕︎
Always remember: The vaccines cause autism bullshit was started by a fully licensed doctor.
Well he ain’t a fully licensed doctor no more.
And it took them 12 years to do it.
A fully-licensed doctor who, if I remember correctly, had invested in a company developing an alternative to the existing vaccinations.
Literally killing people for money.
It depends on what they’re talking about. I’ll listen to and generally heed a doctors medical opinion, for example. Their political opinion? Eh…
Joe Rogan, who has doesn’t have expertise in anything comparable to a doctors expertise in medicine, no way I’m talking anything he says at face value.
I wouldn’t trust a doctor’s opinion on medicine unless their PhD were in medicine. Most aren’t.
I don’t consider MDs to be doctors.
Reading your comments, I can’t tell if you are trolling us, or if you really are this tarded?
You should look up what a PhD in Medicine is and how it’s not the same as an MD (Doctor of Medicine). Your user name couldn’t be further from the truth.
I already know a PhD in medicine is different to an MD, that’s why I wrote a comment that says one’s a doctor and one isn’t. Read my comment until you understand it.
Both are doctors… There are also theology doctors, juridical doctors, and so on.
There is a difference between 1st and 3rd cycle doctorate though!
You said an MD is not a doctor. They are. They are literally a MEDICAL DOCTOR. A PhD in medicine is really only gained as a dual doctoral degree and will then be MD-PhD. It combines the Medical knowledge of an MD with the more research driven knowledge of a PhD.
In the Medical world an MD, is often called a physician. However Lemmy is not the medical world and for all intents and purposes a MD is a Doctor.
You saying MD is not a Doctor is just making you look stupid.
If a physician is qualified to teach at the highest academic level due to their research skills, I’ll call them a doctor. Otherwise, they’re just a physician. Putting in IVs and prescribing cold medicine doesn’t make you a doctor. Research skills make you a doctor.
You’re trying to be pedantic and it’s just making you look stupid. You also have no idea about modern medicine if you think physicians put in IVs. A central line, sure. But you don’t even know what this is without looking it up, I bet.
A Medical Doctor isn’t a doctor, in your eyes?
OK, genius.
That’s right. Physicians asked to have Doctor put in their names because they were tired of not being respected as much as real doctors, which is to say teachers.
Good luck with your accupuncture and herbal tea whenever your appendix explodes 🤣
I trust physicians on matters of medicine. I just don’t think they’re doctors.
I don’t think your username is a good fit for you.
