Port forwarding is premium? On what exactly? I must be out of the loop…
Mullvad pussied out and removed port forwarding
Mullvad had issues with threat actors abusing its services… so mullvad decided to go with PRIVACY instead of PIRACY user base is my understanding
Yeah, I was affected by this and had to cancel my subscription, but found that Mullvad handled it extremely well and refunded everyone who canceled due to the removal. Had they continued to allow these abuses to continue, some government somewhere would have most certainly shut them down completely, which would have benefitted no one.
I still view them as a stellar company and would happily move back in the future if they ever offered a port forwarding solution again.
we ran out of IPv4 addresses quite some time ago. the likelihood of being on a carrier grade NAT is pretty high.
and if you’re lucky enough to have access a direct IPv4 address (also a premium feature and priced as such) your ISP can still be blocking certain ports.
and on top of all that what @[email protected] said
your ISP can still be blocking certain ports
that’s no problem here because bittorrent can run on any port. qbittorrent randomizes it at install
Look in to i2p
I have looked into i2p and find it not easy to understand and use. I have yet to download something successfully using it.Confused it with ipfs.
I2P is IMO the future for torrenting. The only downside it still has is that their is less content. But that will be solved when more and more people migrate to I2P
I tried ipfs and have not managed to download a single file or where I might find them. How is I2P?
I2p is fairly easy to use. The normal I2P client even comes with a torrent client bundled. Also URLs for postman aka best torrent side are included.
Does that mean you would route your BitTorrent traffic through I2P?
Doesn’t that severely limit peer discovery to only other I2P users, since AFAIK I2P has no exit nodes / clearweb access?
Yes that is true. Their are a few bittorrent clients that can cross seed however. But it mainly stays inside i2P which Is good and makes it fully anonymous
TIL it’s not L2P, as in “Learn 2 Peer”
Can someone correct me here.
If I have i2P enabled on my qBittorent client and I start seeding a torrent downloaded from a non-i2P connection.
Does my seed of it allow others to download that torrent through i2P?
No, you need to cross seed. A torrent client that allows for this is biglybt. Or you need to manually re upload it on i2p
We just need to add I2P directly into the client in a way that’s transparent to the user and all the problems are solved.
How does the I2P architecture solve the port forwarding issue. Is peer discovery easier within I2P?
I2P has a mechanism where if you can’t open a port, another I2P router can help with NAT hole punching so that you can establish a connection.
In practice this means I2P users can be equally well connected regardless of being able to open a port.
But, unfortunately I2P is very slow. But maybe it’s just because there’s few people running routers, on slow networks?
In any case, it would be beneficial to have it easily accessible to everyone, so that copyright holders can go pound sand.Edit: When you couldn’t open ports for I2P, the I2P router will have the “Network: Firewalled” status. This is the description of this status on the router dashboard:
Firewalled: Your UDP port appears to be firewalled. As the firewall detection methods are not 100% reliable, this may occasionally be displayed in error. However, if it appears consistently, you should check whether both your external and internal firewalls are open for your port. I2P will work fine when firewalled, there is no reason for concern. When firewalled, the router uses “introducers” to relay inbound connections. However, you will get more participating traffic and help the network if you open your firewall. If you think you have already done so, remember that you may have both a hardware and a software firewall, or be behind an additional, institutional firewall you cannot control. Also, some routers cannot correctly forward both TCP and UDP on a single port, or may have other limitations or bugs that prevent them from passing traffic through to I2P.
If I could have an all in one browser like Tor or have jackett do postman too I’d be set, except for the whole “works better the longer you leave it running” thing is only true until my battery dies.
IPv6. My stupid ISP actually shipped their router with all inbound ipv6 blocked with no way to unblock it, so I set up opnsense. Works like a charm!
opnsense sounds like what I was looking for (if I understand correctly)
I had no idea there was a way to go around the ipv6 restrictions
At least your stupid ISP has IPv6. Mine doesn’t (yet).
Fair enough, I guess. Still, I was dumbstruck by lack of ability to open up a port.
My ISP blocks SMTP but other than that the ports work fine.
How does IPV6 makes port forwarding possible?
It’s not v6 itself, it’s rather lack of layers of nat that prevent forwarding a v4 for most folks.
Hmm, so no firewall in the router blocking ports, instead blocking happens on the actual client?
Port forwarding is necessary due to NAT not firewalls.
It’s not that your router blocks new incoming connections at port X, it’s that it does not know which local client it’s meant for, since it’s addressed to the public IP that is held by your router.
With IP6 it’s lan client also gets assigned a public IP6 address (as there are plenty) and so the router receives a connection addressed to a Lan client and knows where to route it.
But how does this change using VPNs with torrenting? Especially because it seems like the vast majority don’t support ipv6 as well as openvpn often leaking ipv6 IPs.
Ah interesting! TIL. Thank you!
The router is still your firewall, it just doesn’t need to do NAT with IPv6
Normally firewall is on the router. Sensitive environments usually run one on the client as well.
I’m very uneducated about this stuff. How does IPV6 fix that issue?
It doesn’t fix it, per se, rather removes the need for layers of hacks such as nat and cg-nat. Every device gets a globally routable IP - no need to forward anything, just open the port you want.
This doesn’t solve for VPNs no longer offering it though, unless the VPN services started offering pure v6 via tunnel at some point while I wasn’t looking. I know I’ve never seen a v6 pier in the last few years since I started sailing again.
Yeah thats been my issue. It works fine on my unprotected IP. But I don’t have the cash to spend on expensive vpns and the cheap options seem to universally be shlt for port forwarding, ie. seeding
What about ivpn? I was planning to try that myself.
I’ve never had a problem with it in Spain. What is different where you live? CGNAT?
I think it’s that VPN providers offering port forwarding are becoming fewer and fewer.
It still works for now, but it would be neat if only the uploading part needed to go through a VPN since that’s the bit you can get in trouble for.
Would need a way of obfuscating the uploaders and downloaders though.
Does port forwarding really matter if you have symmetrical fiber?
Does port forwarding really matter if you have a Holborn 9100?
Does port forwarding really matter if you have Hannah Montana Linux?
Does port forwarding really matter if you have a Dawson’s Creek trapper keeper?
In principle yes it does - in case of TCP based protocols, without forwarded ports incoming connections aren’t possible. In the context of the main Torrent protocol this means you can only connect to peers that have ports forwarded. This is largely solved by uTP protocol that uses UDP hole punching method to circumvent this.
So the sort answer is no this doesn’t matter unless you’re using very feature poor torrent client.
Port forwarding allows a connection to reach your fiber in the first place.
Do I have a misunderstanding of one of these, because these seem unrelated
Bulgaria, Hong Kong, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Netherlands, Russia, Cyprus, Moldova, Romania, Ukraine, Singapore, and Sweden. They all spit in the eye of DMCA.
VPS in any of these countries, or just find a provider that doesn’t care about torrenting. If you go the VPS option, run your own VPN and just look for a VPS that allows considerable traffic. A quick example, Ultahost (Netherlands) offers a VPS with unlimited bandwidth for $7/mo if you pay for 3 years in advance. Like sure, now you’re paying to torrent, but I would rather pay $7/mo to protect myself with a VPN that I control vs worrying about port forwarding and getting DMCA’s in the mail. 🤷♂️ I guess it depends on how much skin you want in the game.
That’s exactly what I did. Better yet I routed it though a wireguard tunnel! I documented the process here.
Do you have a source about the Netherlands? I thought this had changed in 2014
most are still stuck to ipv4 and being NATted to oblivion, instead of adopting newer ipv6
Rent a seed box. That’s the best solution for everyone.
why is port forwarding a premium feature? isn’t it just a setting on your router
Bc $$$.
My provider won’t allow it unless I pay them $15/mo extra.
You can change the setting on your router anytime but it won’t work if your ISP doesn’t actually allow it.
There are providers that do not provide you your own IPv4 address, with a feature called “CGNAT”. Often, they will then block you from port-forwarding altogether.
that is wild, man
I use Proton VPN which has port forwarding
Seedboxes?
Can’t have 20+ tb in a seedbox at a reasonable price
Ah, right. Thank you for your service. 🫡
Localhost NAS with large storage, Rclone to seedbox, synch, remove old content from seedbox
Source: I have 8TB rn and about to add more, this is how I use my seedbox and store shit
Only seeding new stuff that everyone else is also seeding is not good for torrenting in general, it will kill a lot of content that’s more than a few years old and/or not completely mainstream.
Yeah most seedboxers are just the new leechers of this generation… Keeping up their ratio about an unreasonable amount where they can leech everything they want without the need to give back…
They just stay for the necessary amount of time specified by their private tracker and leave the queue afterwards.
IMO seedboxes should have another rule associated to them… Straight to 1 month seeding time or get a hit&run warning !
I wouldn’t call them leechers since they are seeding back to build said ratio. I think it’d be more accurate to call them a single component of a larger ‘structure’ including people like myself who permaseed from home on a slower connection. If it were all people like me, we’d all be waiting days for new releases to fully download and if it were all seedboxes, we would have zero seeders for anything older than a month or two. Many private trackers incentivize long-term seeding to help control this imbalance, and I think it works well in my experience.
I don’t see that where I live - some ISPs offer port forwarding, some don’t. Some just give you IPv6 with ports unlocked manually in router config
I’ve never used port forwarding. Everything works fine
When you are not port forwarding you can only download from users who are actually port forwarding, or am I incorrect?
I just said twice that everything works fine as long as “direct” connections can be made. if your torrenting client says that’s happening, everything is working fine
That’s for downloading, but it you want to upload/seed, then you would need port forwarding.
yes, seeding works too, with no port forwarding. With mullvad, it just works and with proton I have to enable “moderate NAT” sometimes, but seeding works without port forwarding, it always has
Only because you’re seeding to people that have port forwarding active. You can’t seed to people that are running the same setup as yourself.
Port forwarding is a huge vulnerability. With proton it’s not as much of a vulnerability, but it still opens a lot of shit that should stay closed
whatever the case is, I’m able to seed without port forwarding
You’re opening a port in your VPN connection so no there’s no “huge vulnerability” (even without a VPN you’re only opening a port to your torrent client) and as mentioned, you’re only seeding to people who have port forwarding set up. If more people run without it like yourself, the whole system breaks down.
and for downloading too when no one else has forwarded a port in the swarm
You can still seed to users that do have port forwarding.
correct… you aint power seeding but enough to to give back to the community of Linux iso enoyers
