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He does like the word tremendous, also weak border policie with who? USA?!?
Worse; you could buy people from the silk road. Wives, children,
nanny’sslaves… Along with military equipment, drugs ofc, stolen goods, and pretty much anything illegal that has a buyer.Had a friend that liked buying drugs there, and would send me screenshots of some of the insane ads he found. He was pissed when it got shut down, and moved to a market called ‘Agora’.
Broke off that friendship quite a while ago and haven’t heard about it since. Not really my scene…
Could we buy a president?
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This isn’t true, there was no category for buying human beings. I don’t even think hitmen were allowed to offer their services.
Military equipment and stolen goods, absolutely. Hacked accounts, too. But any ad he found was either promptly removed or was never on The Silk Road to begin with.
Other non-drug markets did exist at the time but I never went on them so I can’t confirm if they were selling slaves.
I wish I’d have saved some of those images; I can assure you they did exist. I don’t think it was a prominent part of the site, with their main focus on illegal substances/goods, but it was definitely there.
Someone who definitely wasn’t me often browsed the whole site in awe at what was sold and never saw anything like that
I’m not saying he didn’t find them, but I am very confident it would have been against the ToS. The admins had a pretty hard line stance on it because it would take the site from “very illegal” to “extremely illegal”
False, no human trafficking, cp, or hitmen services were allowed and were promptly removed, except when Ross him self tried to buy one. Obviously people attempted to hide their sales, just like they do in the clearnet, but the site had a policy against many things.
Maybe they weren’t permitted/encouraged, and eventually got removed, but you could definitely find them there. I wish I’d saved images; but this was 15years ago.
Yeah and you can find them in the internet too, on telegram, instagram.
I don’t think there was ever any solid proof Ross tried to do that.
I agree that Trump doesn’t care about the fentanyl issue. If he did, he’d be ending the war on drugs.
I would like to point out, Ross Ulbricht was sentenced for running a website, to double life plus 40 years in prison without possibility of parole. It was a bullshit sentence that came at the end of a trial of questionable integrity. The fact that neither Obama or Biden pardoned him is one more embarrassment for the Democrats.
“Sir I did not bring in tons of cocaine across the border, I only drove a boat”. Is essentially your argument.
Now I’m not against what the silk road was initially supposed to be, but this guy took it to a whole new level of fucked.
I also like the “questionable integrity” claim because the trial had a fuck load of dead to rights evidence.
Supporters cant claim he didn’t do it, because he sure as fuck did, and was working on fleeing the country.
I think the argument is more, “Sir, I’m the manager at this Walmart and I have no idea what these people were exchanging amongst themselves in the back aisle.”
Either way, double life + 40 years is a bullshit sentence for what this is.
He was not sentenced for running a website, holy shit man. He paid to have people killed and in at least one case believed it happened (it didn’t, the hitmen were all scammers or law enforcement)
Let’s not paint a rosy picture of Ross Ulbrecht here.
Woah, woah woah. You need to check you facts on this one. He was not sentenced for trying to have people killed. He was publicly accused of murder for hire, but not charged. He was sentenced for running a website and the judge wanted to “make an example”
By all means link me a source that shows he was convicted of murder for hire if you think you can find one, but I can already tell you that you can’t.
Didn’t he also pay to have someone assassinated?
The guy is an idiot that saw dollars and let his brain shut down. No wonder Trump looks up to him.
Evidence was tainted/fabricated by a crooked cop and Ulbricht was never convicted of it.
Well, that’s not quite what happened. There is evidence he ordered the hit and paid for it. The tainted cop tricked Ulbricht into thinking that the killing took place.
Source:
Page 19 under heading “2. Murders Commissioned by Dread Pirate Roberts”But then again
https://reason.com/2018/07/25/ross-ulbrichts-murder-for-hire-charges-d/
Innocent until proven guilty.
“Innocent until proven guilty” doesn’t exonerate a person from personal judgement based on facts simply because they have not been convicted in a court of law.
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Also, just because a case has been dropped doesn’t mean they weren’t guilty. Based on evidence, it’s more than reasonable to state he attempted to have someone assassinated.
You’re also going to need to provide more supporting information than a single article that’s a clear opinion piece written by a business that is biased towards supporting Ulbricht. You also share this bias being an apparent libertarian yourself, which could imply you cherry-picked this article.
Not that I can’t change my mind, but that one link ain’t gonna do it.
Yes yes “even though there was no evidence and those cops were convicted of corruption I’ve decided to believe them because I like police when they go after those bad bad webdevs.”
Whatever my dude. I’ve provided an article that cites sources and you’ve provided “nuh uh” as a rebuttal. I do not care about you and never will, be as dumb as you want it’s a free country.
There is evidence, though. I provided a reputable source that states such. So, you’re just misrepresenting my point.
The government also presented evidence that DPR commissioned the murders of five people to protect Silk Road’s anonymity
Yes, the allegations of a drug dealer who was himself caught are very reliable indeed, even though the case was dismissed due to lack of evidence and the agents charged with corruption involved with the case, we should believe the corrupt cops and cornered rat over the other guy and he should rot in prison forever for the thing that was dismissed due to lack of evidence and corruption, JUSTICE!
Btw, while this source backs your claim (that I never disputed) that he was accused of these crimes, you’re gonna hate this part:
The charges contained in the Indictment are merely accusations, and the defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.
Now where have I heard that before? Oh yeah when I said it (among other places.) Interestingly enough the whole “proven guilty” part is the bit that never happened.
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Well due to double jeopardy he can’t be tried again for the crime he’s already been acquitted for due to lack of evidence and police corruption, but you’re free to lick any boot you wish, and judge people based on all the untrue lies directly from the police you want to, it’s understandable!
I’m assuming you also believe police like Derek Chauvin then, since he was also convicted and convicted corrupt cops are somehow trustworthy to you? No? Well by all means believe these corrupt cops and not those corrupt cops, corrupt cops can be right twice a day or whatever, even when they’re stealing millions of dollars of bitcoin from the guy they’re fabricating evidence against, that doesn’t mean that the fabricated evidence is fabricated!
Why is there no “jerk off with eye roll” emoji? The world needs it.
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No no, you misunderstand the circumstances. He wasn’t pardoned for the “murder for hire” charges, those got dropped. Years ago actually, quietly, after they were used to unfairly influence the case he was convicted in which the charges were “engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, conspiracy to distribute narcotics, conspiracy to commit money laundering, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to commit computer hacking.” For those charges he was convicted on all counts and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, but after that case ended the other case with the murder for hire charges was dropped for lack of evidence and police corruption in the case (and the cops themselves were actually convicted.) He can’t have been pardoned for a crime which he was never convicted in the first place. Not only that but the charges were dropped “with prejudice,” which means the court has looked at the merits of the case and made a final determination that the case should not move forward. The prosecutor is barred from refiling the charges at any future point.
The Jan 6th guys however were convicted of their charges, just as Ross was convicted of “engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, conspiracy to distribute narcotics, conspiracy to commit money laundering, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to commit computer hacking” and so basically “no they were convicted, Ross wasn’t but was overcharged for other crimes which he was convicted for.”
Look at it this way, if I’m a cop, and I just know you committed a murder, I’m damn sure of it, but I have no real evidence except for some stuff I fabricated, and then you get arrested for selling weed, I don’t think it should be legal for me to put you away for life for the charge of selling weed “because I toootally know you did that murder I don’t have evidence for.” Basically that’s what happened to Ross boiled down.
You may think someone deserves to die in prison for “engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, conspiracy to distribute narcotics, conspiracy to commit money laundering, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to commit computer hacking,” but I don’t, call me a progressive idk.
No no more like the boot licking you’re doing to the corrupt cops that were actually convicted for being corrupt. Wild choice but it’s yours to make. Meanwhile I’m “bootlicking” for that super dangerous…checks notes…webdev. Real scary guy that one.
I’m talking about your defense of convicted corrupt cops. Camera or not they were sent to prison and yet here you are parroting their lies, why?
By that logic, trump is “innocent” of treason.
According to the state, he is absolutely innocent.
Gotta remember there are at least two definitions of “justice”: the state’s version and common sense. They are almost never the same.
The same people that keep complaining about Trump supporters defending him no matter what keep making the same mental gymnastics to defend Ross Ulbricht without realizing.
No idea why people keep defending him, he’s a piece of shit that should’ve stayed behind bars.
There are about 3000 and three other pardons that were way worse
Trump: *word-farts some demented rapist bullshit as per usual*
Corporate News: Well actually it turns out his actions point to this being a false claim . . .
People for whom this is somehow still news: We told you so!
Me:
I love that out minister Joly flat out told CNN, and I’m paraphrasing, “if we are being honest America is a net exporter of immigrants and drugs to Canada. Don’t lie and say this is about drugs or immigrants it isn’t. It’s about destroying the Canadian economy so you can annex us for everything that makes us one of the most desired countries in the world to live.”
Seriously fuck America
Oh man, talk about a head fuck. Sending drugs/immigrants to Canada and guns/gangs to Mexico. We(usa) are rightly fucked as a society, over half of us probably feel a weird joy of being such a cluster fuck of a trailerpark neighbor. The shit we prop up, including narcissistic actions being praised, makes me glad that I’m seeing so many countries pushing back on importing more “American culture” and going by their own light.
I think the “seriously fuck america” is a little much and vague. Even if immigrants and drugs from Mexico were previously perceived wrongly (at least in amplitude and hysteria), I never thought “fuck Mexico”. I think people are kinda forgetting that even if the coaches have changed, this is still America’s playbook. They’re not going to play unless they make us pay. We’ve been targeting smaller countries and doing the same bullshit with a clean smile to the world for decades. Look at the ACA, now everyone HAS to have insurance (doesn’t help affordability, and sometimes costs more), and they’ve tacked on a yearly fine if you don’t comply while basically allowing the government to subsidize the insurance ceos.
We’re a publicly traded country now though instead of being privately cut-throat. Stock holders want their continued profits and they see bigger gains in bigger countries.
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America is also the number one consumer of drugs worldwide.
But I bet you won’t see any of that money flowing to help that side of the problem.
Just more boots to the door and guns in your faces while we take all your shit and auction it off while you’re locked up. Its sick.
Fentanyl was prohibited on Ulbricht’s website.
Doubt
Ok show me a screenshot of fentanyl for sale there
You want a screenshot of the site that doesn’t exist?
Yes, like the other reply
Can you source this? I can’t find any links that talk about fentanyl sales being banned.
The site sold drugs/gold/bitcoin/cash/id, on and on. Banning a popular drug seems unlikely. Testing to make sure people weren’t selling it anyway certainly never happened.
Anything to “harm or defraud”. It was not a popular drug - it was fraudulently added to other drugs, making a greater profit at the expense of customer lives. Middlemen and even some end users were expected to purchase testing kits from third parties.
For what it’s worth, banning fentanyl is still common.
Your wiki link doesn’t list fentanyl in that section:
In March 2013, the site had 10,000 products for sale by vendors, 70% of which were drugs.[19][79] Drugs were grouped under the headings stimulants, psychedelics, prescription, precursors, other, opioids, ecstasy, dissociatives, and steroids/PEDs.[15][14][80][81] Fake driver’s licenses were also offered for sale.[82] The site’s terms of service prohibited the sale of certain items. When the Silk Road marketplace first began, the creator and administrators instituted terms of service that prohibited the sale of anything whose purpose was to “harm or defraud”.[14][83] This included child pornography, stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of any type.
The bans look pretty explicit, and fentanyl isn’t one of them. Fentanyl is a wildly powerful opioid, which silk road seemed glad to sell. The site specifically allowed the sale of thousands of opiates of varying potency.
Your second link discusses how known fentanyl sellers were traced to silk road drug sellers bitcoin wallets:
This is likely not a new trend, and numerous vendors possibly also deal with other drug substances alongside fentanyl. Vendor clusters with Bitcoin payments to fentanyl suppliers have also been identified interacting with dark web marketplaces that have since gone offline, such as Silk Road and Hydra.
These links dont support that fentanyl was directly banned on Silk road. They actually show that fentanyl was likely commonly sold on Silk road in one form or another.
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…pardoned…Ross Ulbricht…
Good. He should have been free the whole time.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Facts.
Yea, there are so many other guys, that he pardoned, which are way worse…
The giy who got caught trying to hire a hitman?
For the whole drug exchange platform fair enough it might have beeneoverkill. But we are still talking about a guy who was up for killing people on his way. Not sure they are the best for society
No. The guy who was never convicted of that charge, which was dropped, and those agents were convicted of massive corruption. That guy.
https://reason.com/2018/07/25/ross-ulbrichts-murder-for-hire-charges-d/
I’m not reading anything from Reason, or any ither Libertarian rag
Your choice, I won’t force you to read it, keep spreading misinformation all you want. It’s there for any who actually want to learn about his case and find out those charges were dropped and the agents convicted themselves.
I love that the left loves the war on drugs just to own the conservatives. The two are more alike than they think.
First time hearing that I like the war on drugs that I’ve so violently despised my entire life to fulfill a petty political agenda.
I’m glad we have you here to correctly interpret what we think and believe! I bet you have many more similar gold nuggets that you can pull out of your colon.
Before pardon: Free Ross
Wrong president does it: Wait akshully the corrupt cops that were convicted were right even though he was acquitted of those charges for lack of evidence!
Fucking mind boggling. Like fuck me I don’t like the annoying orange either but this was the right move, he never should have been in jail (at all, end the drug war, but…) especially not “for life” for the crime of running a website.
And free fucking Snowden while we’re here, goddamn.
The left opposes the state and its violent prohibition.
The libs, tankies, fascists, etal who support prohibition… They’re right-wing.
Still can’t make sense of that one outside massive corruption
I mean, the dude deserved to be free the entire time. First off Fentanyl laced shit wasn’t even really a concern back in 2008 when he was doing his thing.
Also, no one that got on that site and ordered something did so against their will. Adults should have the freedom to choose what they do to their own bodies.
Also did you know that the actual drug dealers on that site got max 11 years? The DEA agents who stole his bitcoin and during the investigation (protect and serve right?) Got SIX YEARS. They sentenced Ross to death in prison.
Prostitution and drug use should be regulated and controlled. Then magically, all the diseases and shit would take a sharp turn downward. Almost like they don’t want things to be safer for a perceived “undesirable” class of people.
But all this shit acting like he was some terrible dude who deserved to die in prison is absolute bullshit. Please fuck off with that shit.
Fentanyl is so bad it is prohibied even on deep web illegal marketplaces. Do some research before spreading lies. A lot of stuff was not allowed on the silk road.
Where are the lies in the OP that I spread?
It’s technically the truth but it’s misleading. Silk road wasn’t that bad
This is even more preposterous when you realize trump’s boys are presently organizing Florida into the cocaine/meth distribution point for Latin America. They have a mob boss for a dad. Mobsters like the money drugs bring in. Expect trump to make ALL drugs illegal again - even medical marijuana. Mobsters make lots more money off illegal drugs than legal ones (except for the mob owned pharmaceutical companies - I think we’ve all seen their pricing in action… $400 dollars for a drug that costs $5 to make (looking at YOU, insulin).
And yet no more than 2% of the drug problem is entering through Canada illegally, apparently. The bulk is smuggled in by regular citizens via regular channels. Funny that.
My source is Leejah Miller.
