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      Speaking of uniting. That’s something I was interested by like smack dab in the beginning of 2022, but then war in Ukraine flared up and my attention was consumed by the resulting shitstorm ever since. Actually, observing US’ culture wars did a lot to push me towards class consciousness.

      Is that realistic in the US? Because what limited info I can get from the Internet suggests that libs greatly succeded in atomising the hell out of workers in the US into self-segregating minority communities and separating them from the majority of white workers with superstructure-focused euroleft brainrot.

      I’m genuinely curious, thanks in advance for your perspectives.

      P. S. If someone can write a post about this, that would be even more awesome.

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      that’s what happened in mexico and why amlo and sheinbaum are in charge… or at least until the americans start bombing and invading to destablize and foment regime change … again.

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    The only thing that’s set in stone is the past and that’s only because it has already happened. Predictions can be useful if applied alongside action (ex: “the weather prediction says it will rain on Thursday, so I will go the baseball game on Tuesday instead”). Without the action, they mean little. Things can reach a tipping point in one area or another, unforeseen crises can arise, and throughout it all, there are multiple factions vying for power, whether for selfish reasons, such as fascism, or humanitarian ones, such as anti-imperialism, decolonization, and liberation of the working class. Aid in the humanitarian struggle where you can; that’s where dire predictions are transformed into optimistic ones.

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    I don’t think civilization has hundreds of years left. Between climate change and nuclear proliferation, if we don’t destroy capitalism soon it is going to destroy us. It’s do or die.

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      Just let me know when shooting fascist is legalised again, that would be a good start. The whole house of cards will come tumbling down maybe 20 or so years.

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    I believe we’re building towards a revolution, but whether it is successful or not remains to be seen.

    Despite what you might see from weird guys on the Internet, grassroots-level Socialist politics are as active in America as they’ve been since the Red Scare. Big Things are Happening. In parts of the country where 20 years ago there were just Anarchists doing drugs in bars and 5 radlibs attending City councils, there are explicitly Marxist political parties with dozens of members organizing protests and events that draw hundreds of attendees. Every year interest and applications grow exponentially.

    They say we’re supposed to have Revolutionary Optimism, but personally, I don’t really care one way or another if we win - I’m just mad, I have nothing to lose, and I want to fight.

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    Well i dont know of any vanguard parties in any global north nations that are even a little bit successful. Their economies will have to collapse first then we will see how long it takes for some to start forming. Kinda depends if once China becomes the dominant world power they start really pushing for the world revolution. Apparently they plan to by 2050 so maybe with their support youd see some serious parties start to form. I think a lot of global north nations just wont exist anymore. Most of them have a lot of internal divisions. Theyll probably break up. Not all but some will.

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      So much can change between now and 2050, I would not rely on that (plus we’ll all be old or dead by then)

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          Did they provide any reading or speeches? Not that I don’t believe you but it would be nice to see some concrete stuff

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            sorry its just something i had mentioned to me like a month ago thats why i put apparently in there because i cant exactly confirm it. I dont know chinese well enough yet to check if its in their official statements. I dont think thats the sort of things theyre gonna do an english language press release about.

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    i think some stuff could happen in europe, but the eu would be a massive obstacle. As for amerikkka not really unless amerikkkan imperialist fumble worst than they ever have i dont see it. But are communist revolutions even a thing these says all the socialist or leftist governments that came to power in the last 40 odd years have come about because of a combination of protests, voting and, just general civil unrest I mean when was the last non color revolution its been a minute. Feels like the age of revolution is past and we are in the age of coups and riots.

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      Revolutions at their time are always called coups, riots, insurgencies as well. Although there don’t seem to be any successful socialist revolutions there have been some things that can will possibly be understood by history as “national liberation revolutions” in the Sahel states, for example. Haiti is ongoing its own struggle that could end in nothing, but could also be termed a revolution by history books.

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      Good point. Do we need to organize to build a massive party over decades with underground newspapers and walking thousands of miles? Or will things just go viral enough one day after the capitalist governments have failed hard enough? Technology levels the playing field, but of course we need to do all we can to come out on top.

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    I feel like there’s no theory behind what kind of revolution can take place in the global north, at least none that I’m not aware of. We’re still going off of past revolutions which happened in times where the societies were much different and the technological level was alot lower. Curious what others think could be a possible avenue for revolution.

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    Doubt any type of revolution will happen. As long as people are just comfortable enough to survive, they’ll gladly enjoy a worse quality of life, especially if they’re told that other countries have it worse

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      No type of revolution? Do not underestimate the transformation of quantity into quality. Every week seems to be a decade recently. Just because some people are comfortable-ish now doesn’t mean that any one of the massive crises we are constantly on the brink of will spill over enough to cause more radical shifts.

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    I truly do not think Americans will ever revolt in a way that overthrows capitalism. They will just descend into barbarism. The way I see it going is not much different than Nazi Germany but far less competently and they won’t have to hide the atrocities. This is the way I personally see it.

    The descent into fascism kicks up. The “conservatives” salivate and scream in joy as minorities of all walks get put into camps. Liberals feign outrage but also they laugh and scream at stories of “this Latino voted for Trump, now she’s sad because she being raped to death in a camp.” This shits all over reddit.

    Mixed into the fold will be true left leaning people and LGBTQ+. Only the liberals will change their tune. They will say “guess you should have voted for Biden harder. You deserve death for not supporting the blue genocider fascist.” While still laughing at the " leopards are my face" meme subreddit.

    This part I assume is a definite. The next bit is some unknowns but I feel most just turns into absolute barbarism.

    If the US collapses from within, I’ll be just fascist infighting and devil e to barbarism. The American populace is simply too far gone, too propagandized and stupid, to do a socialism. It’ll be every man for themselves. They will rip themselves apart because the only people that hates Americans more that people outside America, are other Americans. We HATE each other. They will never work together for a common good. The ones that would will be long dead in a mass grave. Those that are left will be the ones that cheered it on.

    If, on the other hand, the US goes to war, and the world fights back, nukes will probably fly. So it’ll probably be the end of human civilization. If by some miracle it’s not, I think the US will lose a major confrontation. This is actually the only hope of socialism taking hold, assuming China takes a major part in control of the broken nation. If they don’t and leave us to our own devices… It’ll just be more barbarism.

    There other options I can imagine besides these but realistically, I do not see many options that involve the US populace itself, implementing a better system.

    Sorry if this seems doomer, it I truly, truly do not believe the American populace will ever overthrow the current system with the intent of implementing a better one. Hate, bigotry, individualism, etc, is engrained into our existence.

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    The realist in me says nothing particularly special will happen, shit will just continue to get worse then by the time people do start waking up climate change destroys everything anyway. Like, its nice to think people will magically wake up but the truth is that living in the old way is still possible and will continue to be possible for a while. Revolution only happens when such a lifestyle is no longer tenable. A new war will always be on the horizon to break up capital when needed, a new crisis that will make people put off plans is always just around the corner. Revolution comes when it forces upon those who have no interest being involved in politics because they no longer have a choice to ignore things. I don’t mean this as a call to surrender or anything, keep up the good fight, keep trying to improve things and organize and educate, but its gonna take some amazing luck to actually turn this around in time to actually save our planet and we communists aren’t known for our fantastic luck.

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    Can’t say no without being called a doomer; can’t say yes without being a utopian.

    Under current conditions, there is no evidence of an organized proletarian movement in the global north capable of seizing and holding a city council. Conditions could obviously change rapidly in unpredictable ways, but it seems unlikely that anything approaching “revolution” is possible within the near future in the global north without a dramatic shift in material conditions like widespread economic or climate collapse that weakens the imperial state and proletarianizes the imperial labor aristocracy. Every currently existing “communist“ party that I know of in the global north with significant numbers (lol) is generally still deeply chauvinistic and ideologically opposed to any revolutionary action that involves violence (lol). If we’re saying that revolution is possible in the near term, but acknowledging that it would require fundamentally different material conditions that we can’t predict leading to the formation of new parties and movements that don’t currently exist, then it seems premature to speculate about what specifically that’s going to look like or when it’s going to happen.

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    How should someone give an answer, what will happen in the next 60 years? Who could tell in 1925 what would happen till 1985? There was a time where it was thought that the socialist revolution would happen in Germany or Great Britain. Or how Lenin thought it will be carried out by the younger generation in the future. Things happened in another way. With such a big dynamic in the world, who can tell if a revolution will happen in the next 60 years somewhere in the global north.

    I can definitely tell it won’t happen in the next 60 seconds or 60 minutes after I submit this comment.

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      I gave a response myself but thinking better of it after reading ur comment i definitely wasn’t thinking in the time frame of 60 years i guess i read that and just thought sorta near future and went on from there. But u are absolutely right who the fuck knows is definitely the best answer.