Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net
Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure
Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
They’ve moved to chapo.chat.
Thanks, added to the OP
Updated my blocklist, thank you
Thanks! Unlike a lot of Lemmy users, I have a soft spot for hexbears. I think they had a genuinely traumatic experience when they federated and their very personal instance was inundated with people who didn’t think and talk as they did. I’m glad they’re ok.
Their community reminds me of that one Something Awful subforum with the same style. I guess hexbear is just a younger demographic
Homie, they inundated everywhere else with their bile, very few people actually came to their instance.
They were the traumatic experience.
they had a genuinely traumatic experience
Jesus Christ, this is so ridiculous. They federated on their own accord, and from what I’ve seen very little non-hexbear users ever came to post on hexbear communitites. Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you isn’t fucking traumatic, in fact these people adore arguing and “dunking” on “libs”.
Their users wanted to defederate right away when they saw the rest of Lemmy. The people in charge (able to pull the switch) kept telling them to hold on and it’d get better. A small number of people made the decision for all of them. It’s all the rest for whom I genuinely feel bad. Their community was highjacked and, I think to them, attacked. I can have empathy for the average users.
Having seen how Hexbear interacted with other instances, I have zero empathy for them. They were an incredibly nasty group of people towards anyone who thought differently to them.
They love to paint themselves as victims.
Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you
It takes so very little for liberals to take their masks off and start talking word-for-word exactly the same as incel nazis.
If you see anything that’s factually incorrect in my comment, please go ahead and point it out.
How about instead of puffing your chest out like an online incel douchebag asking me to cross a brand new line in the sand, you respond to what was already pointed out.
i.e. you being an incel nazi cosplayer and pulling the ‘just simply for disagreeing and nothing else’ bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out
what was already pointed out.
Almost nothing has been pointed out. You said my comment resembles those of “incel nazis”. No actual explanation or concrete criticism, just aggressive vocabulary and vague accusations. Of course, you can’t provide anything more than that - had i actually given even a hint of support for nazi ideology, you’d easily point it out, rather than just calling out… my wording?
bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out
What is this “my/our behaviour” that you’re talking about exactly?
I didn’t explicitly give verbal support to specific nazi parties (motte) I just said these snowflakes go running whenever some vague and nonspecific disagreement happens! (bailey)
You can’t criticize me for using the exact same rhetorical tools literal nazis use and in the exact same context! It’s just a coincidence! You have to follow my rules and satisfy my framing!
Dunking on other instances was literally the entire reason they federated in the first place. Their users were salivating at what they would do to lemmy.ca before we defed’d.
Ah, I saw a lot of people traumatized by their posting, but it is the first time I hear about the opposite.
Hexbear is the only place online I’ve found that I feel most comfortable speaking my mind as a neurodivergent queer communist. People act like hexbear is some harsh authoritarian zone, it just simply doesn’t condone chauvinism, transphobia, or let people post western propaganda without it being questioned. Some people react poorly to the way they are responded to on hexbear when they post some bullshit that we’ve heard and debunked 1000 times already.
They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances, and outright flooding any conversation they didn’t agree with with the most vile takes they could come up with, or, failing that, the pig shit Gif.
But yeah, they’re secretly caring people, sure.
They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances,
Lol, I love seeing the mythology of hexbear evolve in real time. I particularly like how you put “raiding” in inverted commas to make it seem like you’re quoting something, rather than just making it up whole cloth.
I mean, I saw it happen. You argue with one, and twenty others show up and just flood the thread.
But sure, keep lying to yourself about how your friends are secretly caring people or whatever.
Yes, that’s how federation works lol.
According to that statement they don’t have access to the account to renew that one either, so they’ll lose it eventually and it should be considered temporary. 🤷♂️
How does anyone know that this is a fair auction. As much as the users may be hated or disliked, I still don’t believe in companies or corporations taking advantage of people like this to make a cheap buck.
Who’s to say that every bid in the auction is being artificially raised by a company rep and no matter what amount anyone comes up with, the owner will just keep raising it until they find a really high value.
Shitty situation all around and as much as they are not liked, I wouldn’t want anything like this happening to any honest instance out there.
I dont think anyone on hexbear is actually bidding on the auction. For one most users are poor and the consensus seems to be that any money that would go to cyberlandlords would be better served in the mutual_aid comm. Like if someone wants to spend money on hexbear, they should spend it on those that need it the most.
Thats always risky and I highly doubt it, they could just not buy it and then they’re stuck holding the domain and can’t sell it for a cheaper price immediately after
They didn’t really move. That hostname has been a synonym for hexbear.net all along. It may have been the instance’s original hostname.
Karma
My 3 favorite proposed alternative urls are tank.ie hexbearmoretankie.net and infinity.ai
It got bid up to $700 😂
Apparently there is an active auction going on for the domain. Bidding ends in 9 days.
Now I wanna raise a bunch of money to buy it and use it as a good way to document shitty behavior on the internet.
What a fascinating idea! Though I’d say there were many decent people there, I think.
As @[email protected] mentioned it’s now at $505.
What’s up with j_s_0e6b87? (Let’s call them JS). If they really want the address that’s the wrong way to go - bidding too high, too early, too often, and in a bidding war against everyone else. A better approach is to wait until the last hours and then try to snip it.
Unless their goal is to raise the prices this way?
JS has bid 26 times now without missing a beat. It’s up to $2,345. That’s insane… and with 8 days left! Like bruhh what?? I refuse to believe they genuinely want to purchase it vs just driving up the price.
It’s a popcorn fest for everyone! Including Hexbear users, they clearly don’t give a fuck about the address itself.
My guesses are, in order:
- Same as you, they’re just driving up the price. They’ll stop bidding near the end.
- They genuinely want the address because they have some really bad bone to pick against HB, and they have more than enough money to waste on it.
- Some really clueless HB user wants the address, even if their own admins said to not bother.
Theres also the possibility it’s the owner of the scamcoin which is also named hexbear
Unlikely. As I mentioned elsewhere, the last transaction of said coin was 886d ago, and it’s priced at zero. That coin is dead.
aw that would’ve been funny
Not going to lie, it would.
Same, it’s going to be an intense 9 days from now on. The finale is a great mystery as to how will everything turn out. What will be the final price? Will people cancel their bids? What will be shown on the new site? Who’s the one bidding? Who will win? And all the drama and arguing in the meantime too. Lemmy’s going to be busy.
Wouldn’t it be better to agree whatever bit yall want to do with the domain name and spend the money on something more productive? Here’s a father trying to buy his kid a new leg after Israel blew it off.
I speak for all of hexbear when I say the domain isn’t worth that much, and losing it to capitalism is a funny bit, redirect it to /r/neoliberal or the wikipedia article on economics or the Black Book of Communism or something. Maybe declare Juan Guaidó the interim president of hexbear and redirect to his twitter.
Losing it to some anticommunist “left” weirdo to flex how much money they are willing to waste on an internet grudge instead of helping literally anyone is less funny.
I’m j_s_0e6b87 aka JS. Linking r/neoliberal? Pfffft, not even close! I want to Make Hexbear Great Again. It’ll talk about the wonders of NATO, and how Israel is doing the right thing (if you disagree you’re Antisemitic and a living proof of the horseshoe theory). I also want to denounce the horrors of mayocide and shitty image reactions, plus insert the Nazi 14 words there otherwise it’s literally 1984. (Just kidding.)
Okay, serious now. I don’t know what’s up with this bidding war; this shit is weird. Currently the highest bid is at US$710, that’s 200x more than I have in my wallet*. And it’s perfectly possible that the bidders are all doing it for different reasons: perhaps they believe that it had enough traffic to justify the price, or they want to recover it for your instance, or they are indeed in some weird vendetta.
And if it’s a vendetta it could be for a thousand reasons. It could be anticommunism, but it could be as well some HB user behaving like a wild monkey outside your home instance and getting someone pissed enough to do this stupid shit.
*R$20, or roughly US$3.50. Yup. If I had some money I’d gladly donate to Karim.
I mean they just try to collect the highest bid and then ban you if you don’t pay. I’m thinking it’s just someone fucking around.
Edit: yeah I’m guessing this is it. If you social engineer support and pretend to be them… Seems like John Smith is the bidders’ name on the site, before they turned me away.
Can you share a link to the auction?
It’s in the post’s body.
Oh…I guess I’m an idiot then…
If the highest bidder refuses to pay up, will it pass to the next one down?
Cause I feel lile some of those higher bids would just evaporate and it’d make perfect sense to place say a 500 bid rn (1920) just in case, if you were so inclined to decorate the domain after aquisitionEdit: And also it would mean you could start a bidding war with hexbeareans to drive up their cost to the maximum they would pay, without any risk to yourself as long as you remained anonymous
Supposedly they don’t bid.
That’s going to be crazy
To the moon. Still 9 days to go, now $676
Weird, www.hexbear.net redirects to chapo.chat while hexbear.net doesn’t.
I just clicked the first link, still the same auction site for me
I don’t see the auction site at all. Must be DNS things.
How doesn’t that break federation? Or are they starting over?
DNS caching at play. The registrar has pointed it to their own nameservers, and that gets cached in lots of places.
Ooooh. That explains it. Yeah, it just switched over to the redirect to sav.com for me.
I think they’re fucked. Because of how Lemmy does federation, there’s no way that I know of to switch the domain for an existing instance without changing the name and making everyone resubscribe to everything. Although, they probably talk mostly to one another so they could probably change the name to hexbear.social or something with just a little temporary disruption if they don’t feel like coming up with $300. Personally, I definitely wouldn’t want to cooperate with the domain extortion, I’d rather change domains.
They should be able to still recover the domain. From the top of the page “To renew this domain, please sign in to your Sav.com Account”.
I think they now have to win the auction, though. It’s $300 to renew for the year currently, and still rising, instead of the $12 it was going to be.
I do not think anyone should bid the price up. Hexbear may be a bunch of cunts, but all you’re doing with that is giving money to some criminals who are much worse than the Hexbear people.
How are they criminals? Its the domain selling site lol, they didn’t pay a cheapass 12$ renewal with a years notice, its their own fault?
Yep. Servers save federation keys per domain name. Not that they were really federated with most big instances anymore anyway.
For me, both redirect to chapo.
With different messages on top that aren’t friendly to hexbear.
WTF is going on here?Hexbear has taglines that contain some of the funniest things said about Hexbear, or just funny in general. This is standard for Hexbear, if you refresh the page the taglines change.
The bid is at $505.00!
$1921 🤯 We need a Lemmy livestream for the countdown to it settling
That would’ve been some nice funding for the instances and fediverse developers.
Is Hexbear even worth that much?
The domain name isn’t worth anything, they’ve changed domain names before, they’ll do it again.
It will be funny that someone paid 500 dollars to make a communist domain redirect to /r/neoliberal or the wikipedia article on economics or the Black Book of Communism or something. Maybe declare Juan Guaidó the interim president of hexbear and redirect to his twitter.
That genuinely would be a funny troll
Hexbear isn’t worth the dog shit I scraped off my shoe this morning.
Their instance seems to be back up again. A sad day for us all.
This almost certainly won’t kill the Hexbear community, and frankly I don’t think there’s any way they will choose to pony up the auction money. This community has moved from reddit to discord to the fediverse and they’ll probably just be on their backup/original domain chapo.chat for a month or two before switching over to whatever the admins decide to switch to, and then it will be business as usual under a new name.
Still there’s a lesson here about setting up a durable online community - don’t let someone control the domain registration with their personal account, you’re just asking for something like this to happen. If they don’t have one already the admins should set up some kind of organization that can “own” the new domain, donations, etc so that this can’t happen again.
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what’s up with manjaro?
Don’t have a horse in the race myself (since I use arch, btw) but e.g. here is a compiled list of some past issues.
830 days since manjaro last fucked up. I’ve been using manjaro for a while. other than some hiccups i’d expect of a rolling release distro i’ve been fairly happy with it
You don’t really need to “trust” the admins if you think of your account like a throwaway.
Making some assumptions about who is who (because they’ve intentionally made it difficult to keep track for doxxing reasons), this should be the last connection they have to a previous admin team that’s been at the core of a lot of the unforced errors over the years. I think it may actually be smooth sailing after this. Either way, I have too many alts across different instances to be too worried about a single one falling. I would indeed miss Hexbear though.
The current vibe definitely is “Dont pay money to cyberlandlords, give it to people in the mutual_aid comm”. Let it go and get a new domain
They dont own that one either somehow lol
Put my bid in. Man, you guys hate me now…just imagine when I own hexbear!!!
I don’t recognize your username. Why would anyone have an opinion on you?
Fair point! I have just spent all day arguing against people trying to get me banned from the fediverse. So I guess I left the blinders on.
In this very sub, there was a post yesterday: “TrumpsTruth, Conservatism, TheNewDonald, what’s happening on this instance? Is this a thing?”
And it’s around 60 comments of people telling me how much they hate me, and calling out admins to ban me! So my joke was mostly to them. And a few months before that a thread, “TrumpsTruth, Conservatism, TheNewDonald, what’s happening on this instance? Is this a thing?”
I spend so much time being yelled at that I forget that I’m actually not that well-known. It come because from comments of, “Everyone hates you!” and “Your name is everywhere.”
Good to know that it’s not everywhere. Maybe then they can shut up about how I have ruined the Fediverse and should be banned…
Thanks for calling me out. Edited.
Ah, that’s why we don’t know you. Most of us sort things in ways that show us good not bad
Yep!
Thanks, friend!
Wow, that’s a fuck up of monumental proportions. Still 9 days left on the auction, I wonder how much it’ll ultimately sell for.
This could be really annoying when they all make accounts on lemmy.ml. Funnily enough, having them all sequestered over there and defederated from the rest of us has been working pretty well lately. Moderators and admins better start dusting off the banhammers.
Reading through the admin’s post it looks like they have the exact same issue with chapo.chat being registered by an admin who is no longer active and not responding to the rest of the admin team. They explicitly say to view the move to chapo.chat as temporary unless they can get control of that domain.
Sounds like a good lesson for them and many other fediverse instances to form some sort of non-profit/club/organization legal entity and better ensure that these critical items are open to multiple individuals to reduce the bus factor. I would assume having a legal entity would make it easier to get donations to cover costs too.
“No longer active” presumably means “died in Ukraine?”
I’m taking it as “grew up and realised he had been an idiot, so stopped talking to them or supporting the cause”
Y’all are really overthinking this. Have you ever just gotten tired of using some platform or just become less chronically online in any capacity? It doesn’t mean they died or had a change of heart. People’s interests change over time. Not everyone wants to do the same thing forever.
These people are holding onto some weird ass one sided internet beef with a lemmy instance of communist trans people, do you really think they’ve ever touched enough grass to grow past the age they first joined reddit?
Don’t play the victim. Those who were around when Hexbear first federated with the main instances remember how awful their behaviour was. Being a trans communist doesn’t shield you from criticism, nor does it excuse that behaviour. None of grudges people hold are unfounded.
What is chapo.chat? I can see that it runs Lemmy 0.19.8 but is it just not federated or something?
Seems to be kind of a backup domain/instance the hexbear admins have? Not sure to be honest, hopefully someone else can chime in
It’s the same instance. That’s just a synonymous hostname that points to the same IP address.
But they also said that the same issue will occur with it too, in time.
Right after the r/chapotraphouse sub got banned, they moved to chapo.chat, but the community wasn’t really that tied with the chapo trap house podcast anymore, so they moved to hexbear.net.
I’m bidding. Fuck them.
spending hundreds of dollars on a domain to own the commies, that’s so epic chungus, take my updoot good sir
Rent free.
If you go to their megathread on the topic you’ll see that not only are they not bidding, they’re telling people not to bid on their behalf and go to their https://chapo.chat/c/mutual_aid comm and give the money to someone who needs it. So if you have 300+ bucks to set on fire please consider helping someone with their rent or groceries. Or on the kid from Gaza trying to raise money for a prosthetic leg. You’ll feel better than spending it on spite.
Please someone cover my monthly expenses (equal to the current bid) . As a
commietankie trans girl this would own me epically
How’s your bid going? Top is $676 now. I wonder if it’ll go to ,$1000. I wonder how many of the bidders are from hexbear, trying to save it
I wonder how many of the bidders are from hexbear, trying to save it
Anyone who did that would be endlessly mocked for giving a thousand dollars to a domain registrar instead of literally anything else.
Yep, the admins are saying they’d much rather people spend that money on the Mutual Aid comm.
It’s funny, even on the reddit post about it everyone shamed OP saying “are you serious? Spend your money on something worthwhile instead of acting like a toddler.” Hexbears aren’t even trying to bid on it.
Sad but kinda hilarious. Lemmy.ca appears to have a better succession plan in place through the nonprofit organization…
Yeah they got their shit together pretty well. The admin is a great person and I admire them for what they did.
Popcorn! Get’cher popcorn here! Can’t have a good fedidrama without that delicious buttery popcorn!
Don’t forget all the sparkling water provided by the colourful users of hexbear.
I’ll have a large with extra salt, please.
Oh, hell, and some milk duds too, it’s gonna be a good show.
New update for those of you following this story
We have established contact with the previously-AWOL owner, and after much discussion, we have determined that while there was an error in the auto-payment initially, the renewal funds were transferred manually to Sav and the auction continues despite that. We are currently appealing to Sav support with our domain credentials. We are also looking into whether an ICANN-compliant grace period was implemented prior to the rescinding and auctioning of the domain.
