Talentless Sculptor

Not in this situation, this is why people say “Jew is both a religion and an ethnicity!!!” when talking about European “Jews”: because many/most of them are and self-identify as atheist, they just mean they have European ancestry that at some point actually believed and don’t wanna let go of that identity label for whatever reason. I guess it’s very American? Haven’t we all heard of them being “Italian” because someone in their lineage at some point came from Italy but today they eat spaghetti with ketchup?

Are you saying that Jews as a religious group do not exist and are not persecuted because a lot of ethnic Jews are atheist?

And I wouldn’t say it’s a competition

Good.

but when the biggest guns and bombs are consistently aimed and dropped on the same group, and it’s not the one people keep talking about, something is fishy.

Good thing this isn’t happening then. We are CONSTANTLY, talking about Palestine. YOU were the one who said “Also, the only religious group I ever see actually be persecuted/harassed is Muslims, lol,”. Do you agree that this is false?

Ah, so it is a competition? We are only counting the MOST persecuted religious group? Also putting religious group in quotation marks when talking about Jews isn’t a dog whistle of any kind is it?

Excuse me? The only group being harassed/persecuted is MUSLIMS? Have you ever heard of this group of people called the “Jews”?

Hell even the Christians in Africa are currently being slaughtered in their tens of thousands.

Don’t listen to that dude. He is a poor representation of atheist/non-religious people.

And I think a person who just makes empty claims about how “dumbass”(the fact that you contract dumb and ass makes me think German or Swedish) someone is, they are probably not blessed with an abundance of intelligence themselves.

I think you live in a part of the world where you have very few problems. That is generally the case when people get incredibly upset about things that very rare and or very seldom affect them.

Why the fuck would I ever want the acceptance of a bigot?

How am I a bigot? Because I don’t agree with you?

It’s not politics, you’re talking about actual people.

Of course it is political and cultural. How we construct gender is incredibly cultural and therefore political.

You’re actively trying to dehumanize people.

How is saying that x group of people are mentally ill, in any way, making them LESS human. Are cancer patients or suicidal people LESS human?

Your faux civility doesn’t hide your vileness, we see you. You acting like a jilted saint isn’t for us, those are just for yourself, because you’re dumb enough to eat your bullshit, I’m not. Maybe try to reconnect with those ideations, we’d all benefit from them, including you.

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say here. I get that you think my civility is disingenuous, but it seems like English isn’t your first language. I apologize, but I don’t follow the rest.

Really. I know he was a bigot, but when did he actively promote gun violence? When did he promote hate, as in said “we should hate x group”?

From what I understand he was mainly doing peaceful debates and coming round to acknowledging Israel’s ethnic cleansing before he was shot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EZcD5RNDm0

I am just assuming this isn’t directed at me since you are a non-reader. So shouting into the void I go.

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We will all die some day. If we celebrate political violence when it happens to “bad guys” like Charles, we can’t criticize people who celebrate when our paragons are assassinated. The difference between “good” and “bad” guys goes beyond aims, it also involves means.

Cool. Thank the non-extant god I don’t suffer from suicidal ideations any more then. Otherwise your words might have had the effect you intended. I won’t extend the same sentiment toward you because I know that some people have very small tolerances that keep them walking among us. I don’t wish death even on those who staunchly hold different political opinions to what I do. That is one fundamental point at which we differ.

I’ll be here if you ever change. Your words won’t change that.

Like you know how to read. Cute.

Am I talking to a system?

Excuse me? Are you alright buddy?

Women are women and men are men. Actual is meaningless here.

Agreed. Just like cis-woman/man is meaningless.

I never said that trans women were “a male that feels like a female”,

Correct. I did.

I said that their gender is incongruent with their sex, and you agreed with it.

Yes.

Gender and sex aren’t the same phenomenon.

Agreed.

Gender refers to the typical psychological and sociocultural traits that are usually congruent with one’s sex, while sex refers to strictly to one’s biology.

Yupp.

Cis women may also have XY chromosomes (XY gonadal dysgenesis) and internal testes.

You confuse sex and gender here. We call these people intersex, because they fall somewhere on the spectrum of the bimodal sexual distribution axis. Males has xy chromosomes and females have xx.

Discarding other primary and secondary sexual characteristics just to disregard trans people just makes you seem more ignorant.

Precision is the opposite of ignorance.

Wanting you to not be a douchebag isn’t analogous to wanting you to accept their religion.

Agreed, but if I have to go along with their religion in order to not be branded a douche bag, the distinction is meaningless.

😂 Addressing the scientific consensus isn’t appeal to authority. I’m not saying “This person is a doctor so they must be right” I’m pointing to the consensus of WMA which is a gigantic WHO-partnered organization. The same is also visible for the majority of major medical organizations in the U.S.

There is currently no scientific consensus regarding the nature of gender as it pertains to sex. Much less regarding if sex is immutable or not.

Plenty of biologists also hold the view that evolution isn’t real, and that doesn’t affect the consensus. This issue was also mostly settled already before it became a political point.

Pardon me, but which consensus was that?

And nobody is saying that we should get rid of the male/female distinction.

No, just make the terms meaningless by broadening them to include anyone who identifies as male/female.

Disregarding the fact that this statement doesn’t disagree with my point, I hope you’re not as stupid as to not see this entailing calling grown-ass people babies.

Male=baby.

Do you think that everyone has the same amount of attention span that you do? You realize that we can scroll up to see your original reply where you say that mental illness is characterized by “an abnormal brain” right?

No I didn’t. I said that trans gender identity is often correlated with mental distress. It is this distress that is the illness. The same illness that reshapes a person’s brain so that we can see the structural abnormalities on scans.

Trans people having negative emotions isn’t because of societal acceptance, it’s the opposite.

They have negative emotions regardless of societal acceptance.

The issue arises when people disregard trans people’s experiences and call them “mentally ill”,

These two concepts are not linked. You can’t disregard that something exists AND call it a mental illness. You can do Either, not both.

and even refuse care proven to work on the basis of calling them mentally ill.

Two questions here:

1: Why would anyone deny mental care to the mentally ill?

2: What standard of care is it that has proven reduction in suicidality?

“Actual woman” is meaningless.

You are right. Words have absolutely no meaning.

If their gender is incongruent with their sex and they are male, it follows logically that they are women.

No. It follows logically that they are male, because you literally said it. They are a male who feels like they are female.

There are also arguments about medically transitioned trans people being the opposite of their sex assigned at birth, as they come to fit the sexual characteristics of their gender identity.

They don’t though. They may present as outwardly different, but their genetics, internal sexual organs, basic physical morphology etc. is still what they were born as.

I’m not aware of any laws making it illegal to misgender someone,

https://uslawexplained.com/misgendering

and even if I grant you that it still isn’t comparable at all. Preferred pronouns aren’t the same as “God’s chosen people”.

It isn’t identical, but it is analogous.

The latter implies that a God that watches you masturbate in your room exists, while the former only has you acknowledge what has already been acknowledged by the best medical professionals in the world, of which I suppose you see yourself smarter than.

Appeal to authority and also false. It isn’t a settled topic. Plenty of biologists still hold that the male/female distinction on a biological basis is useful. Even if some people confuse sex and gender.

Trans women aren’t “born men”. A baby isn’t a man. They were born male and they found out their gender identity to be incongruent with their sex later in life.

Correct. Which in no way means that we need to acknowledge that they are anything other than what they were born as.

Thank fuck for that.

You misunderstand me. The negative emotions associated with transgender identity is the mental illness. Just like someone can be a so called “self hating gay”. The issue arises when the rest of society is forced to acknowledge that a trans person actually is the thing they imagine themselves to be. Your rights end where mine begin.