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Tankie here. I would agree on the following point – that we are not the same. But, neither are communities where most people are respectful of others’ liberties the same as, or suited to the same kind of rule as, communities where most people are authoritarians. Anarchism doesn’t work among authoritarian populations.
In some places, there isn’t a whole lot of class struggle – I could see anarchism working in those places, but not with most modern people. Those are typically isolated places where people are self-sustaining and disconnected from modern industry, places where states can’t naturally grow on account of the pre-existing lack of class struggle in those areas.
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Socialism@lemmy.ml•Why are people critical of democratic socialism?
0·8 days agoEngels again on tribalism:
“Within the tribe there is as yet no difference between rights and duties; the question whether participation in public affairs, in blood revenge or atonement, is a right or a duty, does not exist for the Indian; it would seem to him just as absurd as the question whether it was a right or a duty to sleep, eat, or hunt. A division of the tribe or of the gens into different classes was equally impossible.”
Anti-tribal sentiment has no place in a communist movement.
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Socialism@lemmy.ml•Why are people critical of democratic socialism?
0·8 days agoThe Ethiopian Revolution offered a potential answer to state violence.
“As the state arose from the need to keep class antagonisms in check, but also arose in the thick of the fight between the classes, it is normally the state of the most powerful, economically ruling class, which by its means becomes also the politically ruling class, and so acquires new means of holding down and exploiting the oppressed class. The ancient state was, above all, the state of the slave-owners for holding down the slaves, just as the feudal state was the organ of the nobility for holding down the peasant serfs and bondsmen, and the modern representative state is the instrument for exploiting wage-labor by capital. Exceptional periods, however, occur when the warring classes are so nearly equal in forces that the state power, as apparent mediator, acquires for the moment a certain independence in relation to both.”
“It [the public power] grows stronger, however, in proportion as class antagonisms within the state become more acute, and as adjacent states become larger and more populous. We have only to look at our present-day Europe, where class struggle and rivalry in conquest have tuned up the public power to such a pitch that it threatens to swallow the whole of society and even the state." (Both quotes F. Engels, The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State – https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch09.htm. The brackets are Lenin’s.)
Such is what happened during Derg rule in Ethiopia. A section of the pre-existing police-state power created by the bourgeois regime actually used the class struggle to finance its personnel so heavily at the expense of capital that it crushed capitalism, financially and politically.
Oligarchs are notorious for paying as little as they can get away with paying, including to their police and military. Each act of class struggle, however, transfers oligarchical wealth from the ruling class to the state security apparatus – so insufficiently opposing or even, among some elements in it, secretly fomenting extreme class struggle is actually directly in the state apparatus’ interest, once it reaches that certain independence that Engels mentioned.





The practical effect of any sort of gun (or bullet) control would be to disarm the working class. I will not be disarmed under any circumstances, and the vast majority of American workers, convinced communists or not, will agree with me on refusing to disarm.
“Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.” (Marx, Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm)