Esk 🐌⚡💜 (@[email protected])
hachyderm.io
@thisismissem @mekkaokereke @dma so stats, based on dec 2024 exit run rate (rounded for simplicity): #hachyderm costs about $1600/mo to run. this is up somewhat, as we've started to add some infra as part of our resilience plan announced in nov. we currently have about: - 55000 users - 9700 MAU - 3.7M toots yielding: - $.03/user/mo - $.16/active user/mo - $.0004/toot from a raw compute & storage perspective. again, this is based on 100% volunteer work. today, our mods and infra folk graciously donate their time to keep this thing going. hypothetically, if we paid them, say, $120k USD/yr (chose this to make the math cleaner), that would add $10k/person/mo to the cost. if we go with a staff of eight (mix of mod & infra), that adds $80k/mo to the run rate, for a total of $81,600/mo, yielding: - $1.48/user/mo - $8.41/active user/mo - the toot figure is silly, so i'm not calculating it again :blobfoxlaugh: orders of magnitude of difference. we could argue about the staff size - i went with roughly what we have today and assumed we made everyone full time so they could hachy for 32/hr/wk vs. calculating the number of hours we actually work. e.g. maybe we could it out at ~$4.50/user/mo, but still a multiple orders of magnitude bump from the raw infra cost.
  • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
    21·
    19 hours ago

    In practice, you’d need some redundancy because the admins will also need time off, vacation, get sick.

    So, I am not disputing that 8 FTE is too much. What I want to make clear is this: there is not a single instance out there that is getting enough money in donations to pay even one admin, which is a clear indication that the model is not sustainable.

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
      2·
      18 hours ago

      that the model is not sustainable.

      18 months after the API debacle on Reddit, most of the instances are still around. If the model was not sustainable, wouldn’t have all closed?

      • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
        11·
        18 hours ago

        Your question is as short-sighted as “If global warming is real, then why is it snowing in Southern Europe?”

        No, a system that is not sustainable does not imply that all the ecosystem dies simultaneously. It just means that it relies on a continuous stream of idealistic people coming in, willing to help, only to collapse eventually later.

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
          1·
          12 hours ago

          If admins need more money, they can ask for help to their communities.

          Lemmy.zip seems to be doing okay: https://lemmy.zip/post/29448608?scrollToComments=true

          Lemm.ee had a question about a donation link and never answered https://lemm.ee/post/49850162?scrollToComments=true

          I know a few instance admins who runs their instances on hardware they would be using anyway.

          Again, if some server admins need help with money, they should definitely ask, but I haven’t seen such request ever.

          • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
            1·
            2 hours ago

            Again, if some server admins need help with money, they should definitely ask, but I haven’t seen such request ever.

            Do you realize the issue with this reasoning? Here’s a hint.

            Survivorship Bias

            You don’t see admins “asking for money” to help because there are not that many admins that are willing to put up all the work that is required to run an instance upfront. Let’s normalize the idea that admins and moderators should get paid for their work, and you can bet that there will be a lot more people showing up.