• rekabis@lemmy.ca
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    Men: never go to a female therapist, they will NEVER be able to understand you from a man’s perspective. All they see is abundance, with men chasing them and paying attention to them, and will never understand how few choices those men in the bottom-80% are left with.

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      I had the exact same conversation with mine, when I was 20.

      It’s hard to believe that you’ll have a better experience elsewhere, especially when you have already spent hundreds of € on that one.

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      Lots of shit therapists out there.

      A friend of mine, his ex-wife’s therapist encouraged her to have an affair. An old highschool fling reached out to her, and she was essentially perpetually stuck in highschool due to some intense trauma around that age. Therapist said to go for it.

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        Always look at a potential spouse’s friends before getting married. Do they cheat, slack off, and just generally kind of suck? Your spouse-to-be will almost certainly follow their example. I say this because most people’s “therapist” are their friends and if their friends are maladjusted assholes you can probably expect more of the same.

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    Even knowing a shitty human therapist personally didn’t shake me. It was dating apps. The amount of women I see that I’d run from at full speed, then notice they’re therapists… Jfc (I 100% believe everyone should be in therapy. There are shitty physical health doctors too.)

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      It’s sad that it’s true. Therapists are in high demand, and part of the reason we need more therapists is that about 1/5 of current therapists are basket cases in denial who use the idea of therapy to fulfill their own desires to control and manipulate others.

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        You’re reminding me of a certain quote… “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” -J.Krishnamurti

        As fucked up as this world is, if you’re well adjusted to it, you’re broken and probably should see someone, and if you’re not, you need therapy to make it through the evolving dystopian hellscape. …so yeah, I think that’s what they’re saying.

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          I mean… yes? Some days I feel that way, and reading your words makes sense to me. In this case I simply meant we should care for our mental health like physical and normalize it. But seeing dude compare therapy to needing a specialist for an acute problem, then reading your response… Yeah, you’re def right in this case. Broken is normative.

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          I know I should be. I would genuinely benefit more from a good massage therapist than a psychotherapist at this point in life.

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        It’s more like saying everyone should get a physical on a regular basis. We all need a check up now and then.

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    Probably fake, but a therapist should never say anything like that. I’m in my 30’s and a virigin, and no doctor, therapist, etc., has ever asked me anything close to that. And if they did, I’d be searching for a new therapist. Wouldn’t even finish the session.

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      The older ones tend to still think that way.

      One of my previous psychiatrists got kicked out being the head of his department because he was using his position to lobby heavily to keep Asexuality in the the DSM.

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        Mine was 30 maximum, I was 20. It’s not about age, it’s about always getting what you wanted when you wanted it; then you don’t understand how it might not work like that for others.

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      Even if it’s not fake, in every other instance, if you have a bad dentist who says shit that makes you uncomfortable, you get a new dentist, happens every day, bad dentists get bad reviews and open shitty practices in bad neighborhoods and people expect the care to be substandard. Rarely do you even hear stories about that kind of thing because people have normalized dental care.

      The fact that this shit is controversial shows just how far we have to go before people start taking their fucking minds seriously. You know, only the most important part of your physical, living experience.

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      Uncle in therapy for second nervous breakdown. Therapist tells aunt that hell be a dead weight aroind her neck. Tells him to go fishing - he hates fishing. This was a recommended therapist from a good GP.

      Another family member with past addiction and suicide attempts went to a different GP seeking therapy. Was told by the GP humans have been to the moon and can do anything so stop being so depressed. Wtf does that even mean.

      Shitty people are in every profession.

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        That’s about the story of how am I about to try a fourth one in so many years. Gosh is it hard to find a good one ; taking the step to recognise you should see someone isn’t the hard part. Picking up your phone and call one isn’t the hard part. Fiding one that works for you is the damnedest hardest part of it, period.

        Don’t drop it. Keep trying.

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          So true. Unfortunately both men rarely talk about feelings and were more or less forced by circumstance to seek help for mental health.

          They already hated the idea and now hate it more. When they have some sort of future relapse they’ll be be even more closed off to seeking help.

          Sucks.

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          Best therapist I ever had, had barely an office, that he split with his wife who did a separate type of counseling. He didnt advertise that I could tell, no preamble, no official stuff, no formal psychological analysis. Felt like I was just talking to a supportive buddy. Sometimes he would just tell me stories about when he was younger and had substance abuse issues and I would barely talk.

          Wish I could say there was a trick to finding a good therapist. I picked the closest one to my house, which was a very tiny run down multi office building hidden behind a round-about and giant trees.

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          Yup, good therapists exist, but like most professions, finding one that works for you can be difficult.

          Having a bad therapy experience doesn’t mean you aren’t fixable, it means the therapist sucks.

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          Q: What do you call a doctor that cheated and manipulated their way through medical school and their residency?

          A: Doctor.

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          Some doctors chose the profession to get laid and make money. Not the greatest motivators for being a good human in some cases.

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      I may have once believed this would never happen but after a therapist once told me I was wrong for outting a pedophile I can’t imagine this being that far fetched.

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    This is a good opportunity to ask why sex work is still illegal (unless you’re rich ofc) in the US.

    We could basically end the incel phenomenon and deal a huge blow to the sex slavery trade overnight and for very little money by making sex work legal and bringing it into daylight.

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        I agree, of course, in the same sense that health care workers, firefighters, and carpenters are people and not prescriptions. Being people doesn’t preclude their work from being useful to society.

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          In fact, the whole point of working is to be useful to society! Unless you’re not part of society, then the whole point is to survive but that’s dangerously close to opening a whole other can of worms.

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      very little cost to taxpayers or society

      How would it be a cost, surely it would be a net positive since we can now tax something that’s already being done, no?

      I see no downsides, provided there are restrictions on advertisement and where they can set up shop. I’m not interested in it at all, but I am interested in reducing sex slavery, arrests of women (and men!) who are just trying to feed their kids, etc. My general philosophy is that if someone wants to do a thing, and it doesn’t violate anyone else’s rights, there should be a legal way to do that thing.

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        It would need to be regulated to ensure that people are doing this work freely and responsibly (not being compelled by a pimp or spreading STDs). No regulation enforcement is free. It would be a net positive, sure, but not free.

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      Ftr Incels exist in Australia and they have a red light district.

      Incels don’t want to pay for sex.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think it should be legal too if for no other reason that it makes it safer for the sex workers.

      But just manage your expectations of what sexual deviants expect as Sex work doesn’t put an end to that part of the equation. Buying sex is still available even if illegal and you’re still going to have sexual deviants,psychopaths and incels. For Those groups in particular it is less about sex and more about power (and often hatred for women) hence the toxic energy they bring into sex.

      Another issue for some deviants is sex workers carry a degree of consent. And shitheads like that aren’t looking for consent.

      incels may not be seeking for paid sex as much as they want more power top relationship towards women(or feel entitled to) but they are unwilling to work on their personality. So their problem stems not from sex but more from their personality and feeling unloved with the sex they feel entitled to combined into that.

      You don’t bring that kind of hate energy for an entire gender just over being horny.

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        If you want to deal with a problematic group, in this case incels, I don’t think it’s generally helpful to consider them a monolith. There’s different clades in these types of groups that have different views and motivations. I think you’re probably right, I did set my expectations too high there, but I do think that there’s some quantum of incels who really do end up getting into the toxic shit because of the sexual frustration. I think it’s probably much fairer to say that you could defuse at least a meaningful number of incels with legal sex work.

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          I don’t doubt that some get into problematic shit due to sexual frustration (and inability to cope), but that doesn’t mean getting laid is what they need first. They need to learn to cope with sexual frustration, get out of the problematic shit, then getting laid would be nice.

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      Sex work is illegal because giving people the ability to use something they own (their body) as their own means of production removes a barrier to success, causing some of the power to slip away from the owning class. If I can charge $200 an hour for hole rental services I don’t have to work a corporate job, which means my labor can’t be exploited. This is (for the owning class) of course a bad thing.

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        (1) That logic doesn’t stop people from working independently at one of many different other trades, and (2) sex work if legalized would gravitate towards a corporate vs. independent breakdown of jobs just like other trades. It’s not like porn stars aren’t making money for the “owning class.”

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        Don’t have anything to add as I agree, just wanted to say your username gave me a chuckle!

        …Unless I’m actually an idiot and it wasn’t a geology pun lol :P

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        Really? You are willing to shag anybody for merely $200? Or, more probably, 4 people for 50$ each?

        Don’t oversimplify this whole problem. It is, like almost all problems, not a black and white problem.

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    Weird. That’s an awesome intrusion point to get into the depth of why they think they didn’t succeed and from there … piece of cake on the professional side, hard and emotionally tiring work on the patients side! What a shitty therapist. This was ist… the trust check and she blew it.

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        Yeah I know. But people needing therapy reading this should know that this is an example for a bad decision in therapy.

        There are too many are to many psychologists out there who are acting out their own issues on their patients/jobs. Especially in clinical environments. They all need to go to therapy themselves (which is natural, given their demanding job) but don’t because their are too vile.

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    I went to five therapy sessions and it was like a speed run of college theory on CBT. Dude never stopped talking and we never talked about me or my problems.

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      This is sadly all too believable but I’m happy for you that all of your experiences with therapy have been so positive that this seems impossible

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      As someone who’s had a uh… not great experience with mental health care, this story is totally believable to me.

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        My wife should be in therapy but has entirely sworn it off after her last therapist would gossip to clients about other clients, especially clients who are related or know eachother well, and tried to play matchmaker, giving her contact info and sharing some of her struggles with another client of his who happened to be finishing up a prison sentence at that time. He runs his own practice because he was fired from the last one for HIPPA violations, and instead of being thankful his old boss didn’t entirely ruin him he just is resentful that he got fired for engaging in what should be career-ending activities

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      Yeah, you blew it again, anon. She was trying to give you a hint.
      Plot twist: The therapist is also still a virgin… partially because she is only capable of giving third-rate hints like this one.