This is a ticket to being seen as insufferable.
If I turned the office lights off at the end of my workday, it’ll just annoy the people who are still working. 🤷🏻♂️
That’s why I do it. They should be working smarter, not longer anyway.
If you pride yourself on being a hard worker just know that everyone else is in a group chat without you.
Work ethic never went out of fashion. Many, many people work very hard everyday. Always have. Work is a part of life, always has been, always will be. It’s the incentives that are the problem. Paying people just enough (or not enough, in many cases) to just keep their heads above water, for taking on more and more work, so that owners, investors, and executives can make ever increasing profits, just doesn’t motivate people to work very hard. Much of the hard work in the current system is motivated by fear. That is not positive or sustainable.
I agree with you, but this is an “anti work” community, and there’s a substantial part of the movement that is techno-utopian and is actively arguing for the dissolution of work in general.
There is a real chance that a great change is coming. If most of the problems with AI can be overcome (though that’s far from certain) there will be a change in the job market of dimensions never seen before. A gigantic loss of jobs and a booming market at the same time.
If that happens and the politicians drop the ball this can be a time of great human suffering and a divide between the rich and the poor worse than ever before.
On the other hand an implementation of general basic income and social redistribution of wealth could lead to a golden age where working is a choice not a necessity.
I know which one I would be betting on. I’m not sure if changes to the current system will be even possible without a violent revolution.
I’m fairly tech-utopian myself, but it’s is more of an aspirational goal that won’t help anybody for the foreseeable future. Automation will become capable of performing all human labor, but having it actually do that will take a lot longer because it will require reshaping our whole society. It will essentially mean the end of money, and therefore the end of some people being hugely wealthy compared to everybody else, which those people won’t want to let go of.
I understand, but until the technology necessary for a transcendentalist, post-scarcity, post-work society is developed, work will remain absolutely necessary, assuming said technology is even possible.
Gosh, I hate to disagree with you, but it seems like multi-generation inheritance might affect the necessity of work for some. Currently.
Hard work feels great when it benefits you, your community, folks you care about, or even just real people.
It feels fucking awful to work hard when the only people who will benefit are some rich assholes who exploit you.
Super well said!
First, don’t get stuck in the mindset that hard work is only worthwhile when making money. You can work on things that directly enhance your life and those of the people around you and skip the medium of exchange entirely.
Then, upgrade to the understanding that hard work to only benefit others can be the most rewarding yet.
It probably won’t make you feel any better, but if you work for a corporation the profits don’t just go to rich assholes. People’s pension plans and retirement funds buy and sell stocks, and so do mutual funds anybody with money can buy. You don’t have to be rich to own stock, just not poor.
Nice and succinct and 💯
a great round up of the difference between work versus toil.
Sounds like someone who’s really, really bad at managing their time 🤷♂️
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Company Objective: Pay minimum, Gain maximum work
My Objective: Gain maximum pay, work minimum
You know how a country has their country prioritized? (eg: “America First”) Well I have a similar idea: “Me First”. Fuck the company. They are maximizing their profits, I’m gonna maximize my profits.
Everytime I see somebody systemically overworking and being proud of it, I think to myself: “how incompetent should he/she be to need to compensate that hard”
I work just hard enough not to get fired
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I’ve reached a point in my career where I have the same luxury. I have two very impressive roles on my resume that will more or less guarantee that it goes into the pile of callbacks at many companies. The position that I hold now is one where I fuck off a great deal and get away with it because I’m good enough at my job to be able to do so. But I only got here by busting my ass and (nearly) killing myself to build the talent.
It shouldn’t have to be this way.
I have a work ethic. I guess some people wouldn’t like mine, but I have one.
End of year performance review.
“We think your performance this year has been ok. Not great, not bad, just ok. We can’t justify a bonus for you this year with senior management.”
“But I am always the last one out every night and have been nearly all year.”
“Really, I wouldn’t know. I never stick around that late. Now that reminds me, there were those two days last month where you were seen leaving early. We don’t appreciate that lack of work ethic at this company.”
“It was because I had stayed back late the previous days!”
I volunteered to take on work at the office while everyone else went to WFH during the lockdowns. I was buying, repairing, and otherwise issuing equipment to people and shipping it to them. Thousands of pieces of gear for thousands of employees. I’m IT so naturally if it used electricity it was our business (and sometimes even if it didn’t), and that meant I was handling everything from monitor stands to standing desks to computers. I handled all of it, repaired tons of equipment, saved us 10s of thousands (likely more than my own salary)…
Performance review: satisfactory.
And with that I switched to WFH. Fuck em.
They were never going to justify a bonus anyway. They just want you to feel like it’s your fault.
Absolute truth! Your boss will forget the dozen days you stayed after hours, the first time you come in late.
Happened to me, didn’t matter to him that 75% of the time I worked through my lunch, didnt matter that 3-4 times per month I either came in early or stayed late to finish up a task.
One day, I came in 20 minutes late, got called in later that week by my manager to, “talk about my tardiness issue.”
*writing on notepad*
struggles… with… time… management.
I’ve had a version of this scenario happen twice. The last time, when I literally closed double the tickets of the next person down, I was only just doing what was expected of me.
Gus Catlson: US based company consultant who writes for right based Canadian newspaper Globe & Mail. Also was a director at that newspaper. Was in charge of communications for the Thompson Reuters merger. Has a Pulitzer from 1992, but beyond that its all business reporting and opinion pieces.
Everything in his background tells me he hasn’t had to work insane hours in decades. He hasn’t had a boss ask him to work 10 - 20 extra hours just to have a 2% increase at the end of the year. He was in charge of a Canadian major newspaper, which aren’t known for paying a proper wage. So he knows he’s lying, he’s just annoyed people want to have lives.
He has dozens of these ass licking headlines.
Globe and Mail is a sensationalist rag with no ethics. They put footage online of a fourteen year old girl being stabbed to death in a school before the cops made them take it down. Don’t give them clicks.
Bill Carroll from CFRA (talk radio) is constantly going on about how we need to get people back to the office 5 days a week to save downtown businesses.
He broadcasts from his home well outside the city.
Canada’s rightoids and libs have a long history of being incredibly hypocritical.
Yeah, its troll shit so managers repeat it and then we all suffer. I wish someone would force them to go through it, but they’d probably learn nothing in the end.
Even if you work at one of the rare unicorns where hard work is rewarded with raises and promotions, hard work has nothing to do with working extra hours. Fuck off with this “You need to be the first one in and last one out” shit.
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This gives big “Brian Johnson is a working class hero” vibes.
If you want to play it that way: let me count my 2 hour commute through standstill traffic as paid hours.
As it should be. Both directions.
Pay me as little as you can get away with and I will work as little as I can get away with.
