Things didn’t end well for the last guy…
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Ruining the holidays for a bunch of government employees, not just TSA. I am more worried about air traffic controllers, NASA, NOAA, FDA, the VA (yeah they suck, but a lot of people depend on them and making them work unpaid is definitely not going to improve anything), and thousands of other government employees that will go without pay. The longer it lasts, the worse it will be for the economy.
Damn. Imagine just showing up to work knowing you won’t be paid, with a bunch of other coworkers who are in the exact same socio-economic hostage crisis.
Gotta wonder if there’s some kind of organizational remedy. Like… a collection of workers who could all respond together as a single labor unit to demand a different set of policies on pain of withholding their labor until their demands are met.
I’ve heard of these! They’re called onions!
Like an ogre, they have layers.
I am old enough to remember when Reagan used military and scabs to bust the air traffic controllers’ strike. Hopefully this time people won’t cross picket lines.
There’s no picket lines, because there’s no organizing and no threat of a strike. Reagan did his work and Clinton/Bush/Obama/Trump/Biden made sure it stuck.
More likely what we’re going to see isn’t a single unified organized effort, but a bunch of individuals just walking off the job or phoning it in because they’re too demoralized to continue doing these thankless jobs. Then we may well still need to send in the military as scabs, just on a more permanent basis, since military scabs can’t legally quit.
Then we may well still need to send in the military as scabs, just on a more permanent basis, since military scabs can’t legally quit
The big difference will be that those jobs can’t be replaced as easily. ATC had quasi-analogous people in the military, and the only real match there is the VA. The issue is the amount of military doctors/nurses working in the armed forces does not compare to the civilian side. For the rest? NASA/NOAA/FDA have one-if-not-none person that may be able to substitute in.
With that thought, I’d be more than willing to place money on this being one of the thrusts of the idiotic doge. Why have national parks? Why care about food and drug quality? Healthcare for vets? Bahahaha, the money overlords care about their own supply, which they can ensure with their money. Everything there is focused solely on the peons, which have no meaning to the people pulling these strings.
Mandatory military service in exchange for free public education is already being floated. Canada should build a wall and make America pay for it, cause they are about to have a serious illegal immigration problem.
Mandatory military service in exchange for free public education is already being floated.
Excited to see the biggest rug-pull in US history when that back half fails to materialize.
Canada should build a wall and make America pay for it
The Canadian far-right is such a fucking joke. They want to be American so badly. Far from building a wall, I suspect they’ll be the ones shoving open the gates if we ever get a President deranged enough to try an annexation.
There will be “education,” but the traditional description for it is indoctrination.
Two sides of the same coin. The distinction between the two is primarily whether you consider the information conveyed beneficial or nefarious.
Either way, Americans are already the most propagandized people on earth. You don’t need to send people to college to indoctrinate them. You’ve got consumer-grade mass media doing the job just fine.
Not even a government shutdown can stop the TSA from harassing people
But TSA is a sham. Pure theater and makework.
Sure, but people still go there to try and make money for their livelyhood, sham or not they don’t deserve to be unpaid.
They don’t deserve to be put on mind-numbing pretend work.
No, but they also deserve to do meaningful work, which the TSA is not. They should morph the agency and personnel into something that actually serves a function beyond security theater.
Agree. TSA could be doing more meaningful work for the amount spent
“Oh you’re not gonna pay me today? Guess I’m not working today.”
I can’t imagine coming in to work if I’m not being paid on time. Indeed, if there’s even a whiff of maybe I won’t get paid, I’m not coming in unless I’m paid in advance.
Every government worker that is told they’re not getting paid should do that. Money in my account now, before I come in to work.
The more I think about it, the more I can see this is a really good example of Hanlon’s razor.
If they were evil, they would not tell you they’re not paying you. They simply wouldn’t pay you. They’re actually stupid because they told people they expect them to work without getting paid.
I’m voting “both evil and stupid.” That is, modern Republicans.
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Not much difference toward feeding family or paying bills if you’re not getting paid. Better to take the time off and find a new job.
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There is no guarantee that they will get paid. For that to happen, congress will have to pass a spending bill that not only authorized future spending but also explicitly gives back pay for the time they were working without paying after the shutdown.
So far this has always happened, but I do remember some noises about not doing it around the last shutdown.
So especially after those comments last time, there is no certainty that if you come in to work for the government during a shutdown you will be paid.
There’s a reason the country lost credit rating, and it’s because people are slightly less confident that it will actually pay its debts, including simple payroll.
Congress passed a law in 2019 to ensure back pay for furloughed employees. Kinda moot for the moment though
Ok, but they can’t: for TSA not working is their job description. They work by not working.
two memes in one post?
So is a South African buying his way into the U.S. presidency, but here we are.
Can’t build a wall tall enough for southafrica. Us Mex people know that.
this is why we need a wall tall enough to keep planes out /s
You know, I’ve heard of a solution to the CEO problem recently thats making the news cycle…
TSA agents are ineffectual on the best of days, but without pay? Between that and the amazing production quality at Boeing I’m quite content to not fly anywhere.
I hope that US citizens will remember who caused the chaos out of pure spite when the next election comes around.
Remember? Mmmmwwwwhahahahaha!
Not a chance, not with the publics goldfish like memory span and media companies pushing their narrative.
This happens constantly and 80% of the time it’s republicans playing games (not being unable to agree, but agreeing and then doing stupid shit because of the tea party or Trumpers or whatever)
The next election will be like the kind they have in Russia.
Not unlikely, indeed. Sorry for you, chaps. We went through this about 80 years ago, and we mostly learned our lesson.
Yeah we all hate Elon Musk, but government employees who work during a shutdown are reimbursed for full pay when the shutdown is over. Threads like this make me wonder how much of lemmy is high school sophomores. We don’t know how long this latest shutdown will last, but they’re getting to be almost a routine political tactic now instead of Congress doing its fucking job and taking care of its bookkeeping. This really isn’t a billionaire thing.
Doesn’t help that much if you live paycheck to paycheck.
Valid point of discussion, but that’s a much deeper level of thinking than 90% of the comments here.
They have bills that don’t wait for shutdowns to end.
This is absolutely a billionaire thing b/c it demonstrates that billionaires have no concern for the people they affect since they have the luxury of cash coffers that most Americans don’t have.
Look I’m not objecting to being angry at billionaires, but TBH there are millions and millions of people who don’t live paycheck to paycheck and aren’t inconvenienced by a delay in getting paid. You don’t have to be anywhere near a billionaire to be in that category. If you want me to be the enemy for not jumping up and down cheering for this post, fine - or get a sense of perspective.
I’m not sure if you realize this, but “millions and millions” is still “single digit millions”. The talking heads say things like “millions and millions” because it sounds like a lot, but that’s actually a minority.
That still leaves hundreds of millions of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck. In fact, they’re living at least 4 paychecks out on revolving debt.
Nearly half of Americans “at least somewhat agree” that they’re living paycheck to paycheck (source) - which means MORE than half are not. Clearly not “single digit millions” and clearly not a minority.
Anyway, what I said was that you don’t have to be anywhere near a billionaire. So please don’t conjure numbers out of thin air to counter this simple fact.
I’m still seeing that the shutdown is looming. Did anything change?
Nope. Elon Musk is still the president.
Lol I meant has the shutdown happened, but thank you for the update.
At least half of them voted for that. 🤷
Out of the loop, what do you mean SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT???
Don’t worry, the DEA will work for IOUs until the matter is settled.
It’s a thing that’s been happening a lot over the past few years where US politicians refuse to sign bills that approve government spending (such as continuing to pay government employees) until their demands about some unrelated thing are met.
I believe the term for this is “political blackmail”.
Why it is accepted and legal, I don’t understand.
because it’s a tool that can be useful
Useful to whom?
It shouldn’t have to be useful. This is just a sign of failed governance.
It’s useful in a healthy democracy. Which the US isn’t.
Maybe as a last resort. Not the defect of standard every couple of months hold the entire government hostage.
Hey let’s do some really evil shit and if you don’t agree, we’re gonna shut down the government and not pay anyone
Sounds like terrorism to me
No, no, terrorism is when you kill people who have money.
Just a reminder that Elon Musk is not from the United States.
He’s legally a US citizen by way of his mother.
Nevermind how much “god damn those evil foreigners are at it again” rhetoric makes me gag. Peter Thiel and Marc Andressen are fully American and they suck just as hard. If anything, the problem isn’t Elon, its Stanford University and the endless line of factory produced insane far-right techbro degenerates that it produces which gave us our modern hellscape.
…which is why he had to buy a president instead of buy the presidency.
i feel sorry for SNL. how will they survive this?
They may not have to.
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Go to work and do nothing but look for a new job on your phone. What are they gonna do, not pay you anymore?
All TSA agents should strike at the same time those days, wearing green hats and fake mustaches
They aren’t allowed to strike.
Disruption is the point of striking.
They are legally not allowed to strike. They would be fired immediately for dereliction of their position. It’s part of the negotiation when they take a federal job.
What will they do if all TSA agents are fired tho?
If the government is going to be derelect in its duty to pay its workers, then workers can do the same to their positions.
Though I would be looking for another job and quit without notice when one is found in this case. Fuck Musk. No one voted for his ass.
Nothing would change, the TSA does nothing but harass lawful citizens.
Yeah lol, people would probably have a great travel experience and want to make it permanent. Strikes only work if your job is important to someone, otherwise they work against you
I’m gonna guess that the airports will shut down in the US if TSA is not available. They’re not just gonna let people through without any security in place.
They let people through unscreened on holidays. I let them buy me out of my ticket on a long weekend once and flying the next day was so nice. A few dozen of us were just waved past security and right to the gate. Just had to show we had a boarding pass. This was at a big Texas airport too.
If the choice is profits or security for customers…
But there’s probably some more systems that prevent it
Right, because all the terrorists are just waiting for an impromptu TSA strike.
So far they’ve gotten paid every time, just late.
So far…
If my job ever skips a check I’m not coming back until I get it. Fuck that. Everyone not getting paid because of this should stay home and let chaos happen. Cause some real consequences to Musk and the rest of them.
Have you met them? They’re basically otherwise unemployable.
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The comment about weight was unnecessary, even though I broadly agree with the message.
I was imagining that their point was that police officers are supposed to be fit.
I have a friend who is a TSA agent and he’s a lovely and intelligent person. He took the job because it was the best thing available to him and federal jobs (usually) come with very good benefits and health coverage. He hadn’t seen a doctor for about 6 years before he got the job because his insurance and PTO was so terrible at his last job.
Yeah, there’s always some exception. Hope your friend is doing well.
Musk and Trump showed me, that I don’t have to think about being a good enough person… Obviously I easily am (it’s enough not to kill/rape/extort,… who would have thought it’s so easy?)
