• Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I would feel so sad for these people, if they weren’t trying to make everyone else’s lives worse.

  • vala@lemmy.world
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    It really gets me that “working hard” to increase capital is baked in as one of the strongest morals of our society.

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      The whole “work hard” being a moral dictum really depends on the country.

      I’ve worked in Portugal, Britain and The Netherlands for about a decade each and whilst the Brits have the “work hard” not just in the sense of long hours but also the bloody slogan and moral commandment, and the Portuguese too have the long hours but “work hard” really doesn’t add up to a moral commandment, the Dutch have neither and in fact it’s considered a bad thing if people are still at the office after 6 PM (many even come in earlier to leave at 4.30 PM) to the point that a manager is considered a bad manager if their people are still there at that hour (because it means they didn’t plan the project properly), quite the opposite of the other two countries were the “bumms on seats” after 6PM are seen as a good think.

      Interestingly, of all 3, the Dutch are the most productive, by far - you do a lot more in term of actual results delivered in 8h/day in The Netherlands than you do in 10-12h/day in Portugal or Britain.

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        I agree with the Dutch. 99% of the time ive had to work late/extra it’s because the project manager wasn’t doing their job and panicked at the last second.

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      My favorite part is when all these “hard workers” are actually just spending 12 hours/day at the office bullshitting and slacking off

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    “everyone talks about how “hard” they’re working and grinding.”

    Oh yeah? Who? Im willing to bet that everyone in the toxic “self help” podcasts he listens to talks about how hard he should be grinding while the people at his office live normal lives.

  • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
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    Imagine not realizing that you have to take breaks to be productive. It’s better to go home and forget about what you were working on and come back the next day. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve struggled f with an issue and came back to it and figured it out right away.

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      Chances are many are still working. They’re combining eating with socialising with peers in the hundreds of bars and restaurants and discussing many things, including work related stuff… which is a lot healthier than always eating alone at your desk.

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      That is the key thing that is wrong with the whole “work ethic” rhetoric. Working longer hours is not good for productivity unless you have a job that basically has no quality metric attached to anything you produce and quantity is just measured in time worked.

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    i start working at 6:30 and work till 16:30 so i can see my children before they go to bed.

    i’m just a burden for my company, right?

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    2 months ago

    Prosperity comes from inherited wealth.

    People who work from a co-working space usually are in no place to lecture others about prosperity.

    If you brag about how late you work in the evening, at least tell us when you start in the morning.

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      That would be a great reply:

      “What time did you get in? I didn’t see you at all for the 13 hours I was there. Did you just show up to take a picture?”

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        Their golf is “business networking” and counts as work. Your bar time with coworkers and other business associates is goofing off.

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    That’s why Asia, working the longest hours, is the world’s most productive region, right?

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      Japanese office workers are one of the most inefficient workers despite the long hours they spend at the office

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        Well I imagine efficiency is measured by the amount of work done divided by the number of hours worked… I know the salary-man culture in Japan is pretty grueling, so I imagine the hours are super high. And since they’re so fucking tired (Japanese men sleeping at the office is a meme), the work suffers.

        So they are not only working far more hours than average, but getting the same amount or possibly even less, work complete in that time because of energy levels/morale.

        Simple math that you’d hope even a CEO could grasp.

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        I’d imagine that they’re unproductive because of the long hours that they spend in the office. It’s been a source of mystery to me (European) how our offices in America manage to put in 60 hour weeks every week, often with a crazy commute before and after, and yet never seem to make fuck all progress on anything. Better to concentrate on how to be as productive as possible for time that you are there, than to fetishise the total amount of time?

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          It reminds me of the people who thought measuring programming progress in lines of code written was a good idea.

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    2 months ago

    What if instead of working, I spend two hours making a salty post about people not working?

    is_this_grindset.png

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    God I want the four day work week to become a thing. But I think they’ve been talking about it for like two decades now and it never seems to happen…

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    This reminds me of a person I worked with who would wait until the evening to reply to most emails. I assumed this was so at every morning standup they could say they were waiting on someone else to get back on something.

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        Outlook will display the time “sent” as the time you hit send. Then they receive it at the scheduled time, and will be marked as the “received” time. Two different time stamps.

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          Well that’s disappointing. What even is the point in scheduling a message then?

          Surely there’s some way to spoof it, but I guess I’ve never really tried

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            What even is the point

            Scheduling correspondence generally falls into one of a couple categories:

            1. This message contains information you don’t want them to have until after an event. Raises, Layoffs, Reorgs
            2. It’s 2am and you don’t want to bother them at this hour. (more important for Slack)
            3. They’re not in our timezone and you want it to hit the box when they’re fresh to work on it. You don’t want them to start a sprawling project at 4:30 on a Friday.
            4. It’s the weekend and there’s no reason for them to worry about it until Monday.
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              It’s the weekend and there’s no reason for them to worry about it until Monday.

              Imagine checking work email on the weekend. I feel sorry for people with jobs like that.

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                I have a guy, he’s amazing but he just does that. I have to be very careful to not to send him anything outside of normal work hours because he will spin up and do it and that’s not what I want.

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            True, but how could I do that on my work computer without admin access? I was barely allowed to install AutoHotKey.

            Also not allowed to keep the computer running 24/7.

            • uranibaba@lemmy.world
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              Can you run powershell 5.1? If you can do that add type definitons, PowerShell can control your mouse and click for you.

              If you have your mail in the browser, you can manually create javascript code to run at some point.