• rational_lib@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    How about we stop focusing on reacting in kind to things the biggest nazi assholes say (possibly to evoke this sort of reaction and get more attention for themselves) and maybe just ignore them instead so they don’t bring down the conversation to some bullshit fascist online troll level.

    • A7thStone@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

      Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

      Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

      Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

      • rational_lib@lemmy.world
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        2 days ago

        That’s not actually related to my point though. This is more like:

        First they tweeted offensive things about women, and I made sure that thing they tweeted is now the only thing we talk about.

        Then we couldn’t talk about all the women dying of not getting abortions on time because we’re too busy talking about tweets.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    3 days ago

    I keep having thoughts. Dangerous, untoward MCU Supervillain thoughts.

    For instance, the reason we stopped doing outlawry ( wikipedia ) as a thing is because when you unperson someone, their only defense is to fight back and hide, and if that means a wondering child happens upon your camp, well, dead kids tell no tales.

    So at the point that a given group is treated is stripped of rights enough that it threatens their life (say putting someone at risk for morbid pregnancy complications, or a homeless person needing to sleep) they are required by necessity ( wikipedia ) to defend themselves violently, since defending themselves procedurally is useless.

    Which means it is right and proper for those people to stab anyone whose awareness of them and their predicament is a threat. And it’s right and proper to stab the monarchists who would strip us of our rights. Looking at you SCOTUS.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    3 days ago

    The same folks that want to unperson women (and non-whites, and LGBT+) are the same folks who are poisoning our air until 500-year hurricanes become the norm, and we run out water and can’t feed everyone.

    So we’re at a point that killing them for their transgressions is literally fighting for our lives and for humanity.

    I think we’re one step away from suicide bombers. After all, if we’re going to be executed anyhow…

  • LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    My mom works with mentally ill children in a school. I had to warn her about this so she knows it’s something that needs corrected.

  • angrystego@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    This is nice, but I can’t stop thinking of all the women and girls in Afghanistan, that were just recently stripped of ALL rights, including the right to speak when they want. Availability of arteries on men doesn’t do anything for them.

    • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      3 days ago

      Eventually it will present a problem. An example of this happened not long ago when Iranian woman Mahsa Amini was harassed to death by the Iranian morality police, and the people decided that was one Iranian woman too many. The humiliation campaign followed, leading to hangings which lead to revolutionaries firebombing official buildings. A lot of people shot each other. A curious development was when the fundamentalists were bombing women’s schools with poisonous gas.

      There eventually was an armistice and a negotiation, but the morality police still kills women by overpolicing, so it goes on.

      Here in the states, we already have minorities and undesirables getting overpoliced to death by officers eager to use their guns or show them who is boss. When Trump opens the slips again, shit is going to get interesting. (As in that Chinese curse interesting. )

      I also assure you in the meantime, Afghani men get a lot of food served with extra ingredients. Spite and resentment do not sit idly by.

    • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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      3 days ago

      Arguably, current-day Afghanistan is what happens when you (i.e. Afghan women as a whole) don’t fight back early and decisively enough.

      • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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        3 days ago

        It’s sorta unfair to blame all of them for what happened today. Because first thing first, US invade them and for the next 20 years, took control of their country. They’ve been living in an ok time(“ok” just not to generalise that nothing happened these years) because NATO forces is holding back the Taliban. And then Trump withdraw the force in such short time, basically gave Taliban the country, and Taliban swept across the country and gain control. I’ve read news of women’s armed resistance force fighting back but as we all can see today, they’ve lost.

        Second, for them to fight back, they have to fight back Islam as a whole. They’ve been indoctrinated for generations to act how the man who wrote the book want them to, to rebel against it they have to rebel against their whole society, alienation is very common result of that, and worst, punished. It’s easy for privileged western people who isn’t religious to say that, but to them, they have to move a mountain to achieve a small victory.

        Those brave women is currently rebel against the taliban rule, your statement is just so flipping unfair to them.

        • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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          3 days ago

          It’s not about assigning blame, but about what would have to have been done.

          And more importantly, American women CAN still fight back, so why are you talking about women in another country who can’t really fight back anymore like it’s a good counterargument?

          • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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            3 days ago

            Because you’re blaming the woman there for what happened today. Also, are we talking about afghanistan woman or are we talking about US woman here? The current thread started with Afghanistan woman, stick with that.

            • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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              3 days ago

              But my point is that it doesn’t make sense to use Afghan women as an argument against fighting back in the first place. It doesn’t matter if it’s their fault or not, American women need to fight back.

  • Smorty [she/her]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 days ago

    I think I don’t get it. What does Your body - your choice refer to?
    Is this like blablabla i don't care about queer people, do what you want but don't come near me or what am I missing here?

    • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
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      3 days ago

      You know my body, my choice?

      Yeah. This is a crowing threat in the face of a second trump presidency

    • TaTTe@lemmy.world
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      4 days ago

      “Your body - your choice” refers to the basic human right that you’re your own master and no one else can own/control you.

      It’s especially used in the discussion about whether abortion should be legal or not, where it refers to the fact that the fetus in a pregnant person is indeed part of that person, and they are allowed to do what they want with their own body (e.g. abortion).

      The post mentions the opposite, “your body, our choice” which refers to the anti-abortion movement where people, often due to religious reasons, think they should have control over a pregnant person’s body, rather than the pregnant person themself.

      • Hawke@lemmy.world
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        3 days ago

        Pretty sure it has nothing to do with a “pregnant person” and is just a straight-up open rape threat.

      • Smorty [she/her]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        4 days ago

        God will smite you if you kill his children I guess.

        The fact that religion has such an impact on society still is crazy. Having a belief is nice and can be comforting, but putting restrictions on others which makes their life objectively worse, damn that’s shiddy

        • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
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          2 days ago

          The problem is the same as the problem everywhere - big is bad

          Organizations with too much power fuck up everything. I love the Bible - I’ve taken more from that book than any other. The old testament was a story of how my people fuck up constantly, but someone wise and in harmony with existence shows up and they listen. Then the heroes wander off into the wilderness, or they get a big head and become the seed of the next fuck up

          Jesus is my biggest role model out of very few, because he sacrificed himself to die a hero before he could taint his message, very deliberately and to great effect. There’s nothing to criticize, because he learned the lesson. He was deliberate and effective… Nothing human and fallible was left, because for three years he lived his message and taught the third path, and then he either died or faked his death and fucked off to Asia

          Jesus was brilliant - as a bastard son of a craftsman he became an existential threat to Rome. He taught the third path, and his message was so effective they had to kill him, massacre his followers, and even then the empire only survived because Constantine slapped his name on a rebrand of the Roman religion. The legions of Rome were spreading his message, because it resonates with everyone

          He showed violence once - when people abused religion for profit. He still harmed no one, accepted everyone. When did he say abortion was wrong? I seem to remember a lot of forgiveness outside of that one incident. Across race, across profession, across physical state

          Almost like it was truly universal love.

          W.W.J.D. Probably accept everyone regardless of unsavory circumstance and reject money, like he did when he lived

          Religion is the problem, because the difference between religion and spirituality is only scale

          Read the Bible - I did it when I was 7 and had diarrhea. It’s worth reading. It’s not as long as it seems. I’m shocked at how few people read it cover to cover - I assumed it was normal for decades. At least know the enemy, right? Or better yet, take the wisdom within and build up a tolerance to the rest when it’s misquoted at you

        • BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca
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          3 days ago

          And if you combine that with the love for the 2nd amendment, and indifference to school shootings it gets even crazier.

          If they were consistent pro life they would:

          • Be against abortion (except for medical emergency)
          • Be pro sex-ed and contraceptives, to avoid unwanted pregnancies.
          • Be for gun control, to avoid people getting killed.
          • Be for different social support systems (food/housing/health/education/etc.)
          • And so on.

          But they ended up with supply side jesus instead…

    • flamingos-cant@feddit.ukOPEnglish
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      4 days ago

      It says Your body our choice, a play on the line “my body, my choice” trotted out by fascist yanks to celebrate stripping women of their autonomy.

      • Smorty [she/her]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        4 days ago

        Just the fact that this whole women aren’t people argument is even around still is such a joke to me.

        I’m lucky enough to live somewhere where that isn’t questioned ever, but damn