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I realize that this is a very hot political season. Its impossible to keep a “good vibes” feel with this year’s election politics, so I’m not asking for “Don’t be an Ass” or other such naive statement. But please try to be on your best behavior. This is “BestOfLemmy”, and not a political debate site.
I’ve nuked a couple of subthreads that have gotten too hot. Please report anything you think is unhelpful to the greater discussion. I’ll remove distracting posts as I see them, but I don’t promise “good moderation” here. I’m just gonna cleanup what I can see and when I see it.
The general rule for “BestOfLemmy” is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of “newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first”. And think about how you’d like to present yourself to them.
This is my guiding principle for moderation. This isn’t a debate subsite, or debate community. I’m not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).
Maybe you should not allow memes and discourses that present genocide as an unavoidable necessity. Your ass might be legally liable.
The general rule for “BestOfLemmy” is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of “newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first”. And think about how you’d like to present yourself to them.
This is what you want new people to see? “vote for my candidate or you hate America”? Propaganda bullshit? I’m sure I’ll write in a candidates name as I do every four years as, once again, neither major party is worthy of my vote, but the arrogance of people like you makes me want to vote for Trump out of spite.
Voting for fascism out of spite lmao
That’s exactly what they do. One in ten Bernie Bros voted for Trump in 2016.
That should tell you all you need to know.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true either lol
Lol, feel free to fuck off, fascist.
News flash bud:
You don’t get to just show your ass and then expect people to kiss it. That’s not how it works. You’re not entitled to anyone’s respect when you refuse to offer it yourself. We all saw you all whine and cry in 2016 and again in 2020. You’re no different now.
So no, you don’t get the respect you demand just because you can stomp your feel loud enough.
Theres a reason no one takes any of you seriously,
You taught them not to.
Are you drunk? What the hell are you talking about? Showing your ass? Respect being demanded? Kissing my ass? Who was whining? Who is “any of you”?
:/
So to you, the best of Lemmy is “vote for my candidate or you’re a traitor”? And ON TOP OF THAT, you want people to accept it or get their comment deleted? What kind of reasoning is that? You could just remove such an obviously inflammatory post instead of acting in such way
“Vote for my candidate or you’re a traitor” is not an opinion anymore. You’re an American traitor if you vote for somebody who’s killing the rule of law from within. The destruction of America that Putin wants will not be militarily.
You’re not a traitor. You are just proving the point I made below in my comments about not knowing anything about the user and mindlessly accusing them. You’re also just talking about unrelated stuff since nobody has mentioned Putin, so miss me with your scare tactics and focus on what we’re talking about instead of going off your own tangent. Do better
That’s what you took from their comment?
That’s literally what they wrote. I even quoted them. At least read the whole comment before writing nonsense
Okay. So… I took your advice and I read their whole comment, and I’m now left to ask:
That’s what you took from their comment?
“vote for my candidate or you’re a traitor”?
More like, vote against the conservative-fascist coalition if you don’t want the US destroyed. If you’re skeptical, we can open up any history book and read about how the German conservative-fascist ruling coalition of the 1930s turned out.
I’m not skeptical. I know exactly what I said and your paternalistic tone is not necessary. You’re not the only one who heard of the Nazi, you know? We are all very aware.
It’s not even about the post itself (even though it’s an extremely low effort screenshot). It’s about the fact that, a community that is supposed to showcase the best of Lemmy, is:
- Proudly showing that this kind of post is supposed to represent Lemmy, which would be sad
- Moderated by someone who legitimately is defending such low effort memes (and honestly mentality) without even pretending that it’s for the sake of engaging in a conversation.
It’s literally just a screenshot of a comment with 4 upvotes that is proudly saying “follow my reasoning and stfu. Otherwise you hate your country”. And the mod is in the comments saying “yeah, agree with this and myself or I’ll delete your comment. I might ban you too depending on how I feel. After all, this is not a conversation”.
And you can tell this is exactly what is happening because every single user that is pointing out how hypocritical this is, is getting downvoted to hell and called a fascist. And keep in mind, you don’t even know how I’m going to vote. You are just attacking because I’m voicing a different opion than “vote for Harris or you’re a traitor”
Part of the reason why I nuked entire discussions is because its an effective way to stop the downvoting, dogpiling, and snarkiness. I’m doing what I can here. Its a big topic, I’m not going to be here all day and I’m the only moderator. I’m ultimately going to have to trust all of you to be on better behavior when I leave to do my things today.
Real talk. I’m trying to set up the conditions for this thread to work out even in my limited absences. I cannot promise prompt deletions or even “fairness” in these circumstances. Chances are, I’m going to come back and there’s going to be 5 hours of back-and-forth trash, downvoting, yadda yadda. I’m not an idiot, I can see and 100% expect that this will happen. When that happens, I’ll have no choice but to delete the whole sub-discussion, starting from the moment it got heated.
And yet, this topic isn’t breaking any rule that I’ve set up ahead of time. And I’m not seeing it as such a massive problem that I need to invent a new rule to specifically nuke this particular topic. I’ve listed out my reasoning for the two rules of this community already. If you want to argue on the basis of those rules (or alternatively, if you want to propose a 3rd rule to be added), I’m willing to meta-discuss the rules with you here.
But don’t take my “delete comment” movements for something else. Lemmy has very few tools for moderation. On other forums, I would have edited yall’s posts rather than delete them outright. I’m forced to delete because its against Lemmy’s philosophy to allow moderator-edits to posts.
I’m not trying to make you feel bad with the “delete comment”. Its just honestly the smallest bit of action I can do on Lemmy. I’m not trying to threaten you, I’m not trying to cause anyone any kind of grief. I get it, its a political topic and you have opinions you want to get out. So talk, get them out. I’ll do what I can to keep the best of the discussions up but I’ll also be deleting the dogpiles as they come up.
Moderating is a pain in the ass. We appreciate ya
I’m deleting the worst of posts that have degenerated into just two members insulting each other over and over again.
You can see the topic is mostly open for your discussion. Just don’t make your posts devolve into useless bullshit and I’ll keep the posts up.
I know it’s careful balance and it’s basically impossible to get it correct on political topics. But I’ll do my best.
I’m simply being honest here. I’m not going to let 5+ posts of insults just stay around here. But this is also a topic with literally hundreds of comments so I’ll be making mistakes as a moderator.
I’m not passing out bans here, yet anyway. I’m just deleting posts that have gone off the rails (as well as the threads / earlier posts that led to overheated discussion).
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It’s my second day on lemmy. I came from Reddit because their moderation is so careless.
I am so tired of moderators using their power to police discussions, rather than keep people safe. Anyone can walk away from an argument at any time; you’re not protecting them from that. In fact, what you’re doing is silencing them at a time when they’re frustrated and have no where else to vent. They come here because they need to get it out.
I’m going to start looking for another platform. People like you are the reason I left Reddit.
Its almost as if the system of unpaid volunteer moderators has its limits.
I’m here on Lemmy because as limited as the system of unpaid volunteer moderators is… its better than the CEO of Reddit who has begun to influence the discussion from the top down. If there is a system of unpaid volunteer moderators, at least they should be supported. And Lemmy seems to be place for that.
My friend, Reddit is still a worse option in my opinion.
I mean, I literally came on this post and started calling out the mod. But you see what they did?
I wasn’t banned. My comments weren’t deleted. Instead they engaged my talking points and tried to offer their opinion instead. I didn’t call them an asshole, they didn’t call me an idiot. We are just talking and disagreeing.
You are never going to find anything like that over Reddit.
Feel free to browse around the different instances though. You might disagree with the mod of this community and/or instance, but you can always find a different one that better fits your views if you think this is a dealbreaker for you.
Finally, Lemmy is very young compared to Reddit. It doesn’t have nearly the same amount of tools available to mods, and yet it’s already more transparent with its mod logs being so open and accessible.
Welcome to Lemmy by the way! We are trying our best lol
We’re all very sad about whatever you’re being offended by when adults are in the room.
You left reddit because of mods… not the other million things spez and co has done? Have fun on the next platform, friend.
Farewell 15 hour old novelty account. We hardly knee ye.
His name was Robert Paulson.
So… if you don’t get to say whatever you want with zero consequences, you threaten to leave?
Enjoy the walk back to Reddit, and tell the bots we said hello!
This post being presented as the best of Lemmy with all the downvote brigading for wrongthink is making me want want to leave Lemmy again. I used to run an instance a while back before the first reddit migration and just gave up (when lemmy.ml and lemmygrad was dominating the lemmyverse) and this whole mess of a post have only made it seem like everything is worse.
And that’s after I’ve spent the last two weeks blocking users I find awful instead of spending all that time insulting and downvoting people “that have the wrong opinion”.
Maybe the best of Lemmy is downvotes and snarky “don’t let the door hit your ass in the way out” comments? I see no point I’m mentioning what seems like the worst of Lemmy these days.
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I wish we’d get a candidate that didn’t run purely on hey look how shitty trump is. It’s so lazy and barely worked last time.
Finding out more about her is very easy, your lack of knowledge does not equal a lack of information
It’s weird nobody ever posts about her policies then. It’s always shit posts like the one we’re on now.
Because all the media will report is what Trump farted today.
There are tons every day. Not surprised you don’t see it on ml
I browse all the popular instances
This is what happens if your only source of news is Reddit and Lemmy. Just watch any of her extensive interviews and rallies and you will get a whole lot more.
https://kamalaharris.com/issues/
She has a website that very clearly explains her platform.
It doesn’t though. She states what she wants to do, but not how she will do them. Because she doesn’t know how things work. She says she’s cutting taxes, but then talks only about child tax credits. Sorry, tax credits is not the same as cutting taxes, and the credits she’s talking about doesn’t help everyone, just parents and business owners. How will she cut taxes? It never says.
And yet, when she was served up an easy gimme question at the last town hall debate, she shied away and waffled about bipartisanship.
CAROL NACKENOFF, POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT SWARTHMORE COLLEGE: Good evening… My question is this: if you could accomplish only one major policy goal that required congressional action, what would it be, and why?
HARRIS: Well, there’s not just one. I have to be honest with you, Carol. There’s a lot of work that needs to happen.
But let’s – let’s – I think that maybe part of this point that – I how I think about it is we’ve got to get past this era of politics and partisan politics slowing down what we need to do in terms of progress in our country. And that means working across the aisle.
It’s not working this time at all.
She has a platform, proposed policies, lots of positive working class messaging, and tons of other stuff.
She is not only running on look how shitty Trump is. That is just the part that gets attention.
Her platform is how shitty trump is and embracing republican policies.
Have you actually read her 70 page platform?
There are much more rewarding works of fiction to spend that time on
Witty, but you’re acknowledging that she does actually have a platform which extends beyond “not trump”, even though too much of the marketing is sharing that message.
I don’t like to be told to read something by people who don’t have any reading comprehension.
She has a platform in the sense that she has a bunch of shit she’s willing to say after a political career of being willing to say literally fucking anything. “It’s just a debate hahaha!”
Oh wait. Did she actually say she’d raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour and you believed her? Did the woman that illegally kept marijuana offenders in prison after the feds directed her to release them in order to use them as slave labor tell you that she’d legalize marijuana AND YOU BELIEVED HER??
Is that why you’re so credulous to every astroturfed line that comes out of their bot farm? You’re just stupid like that?
I’m not a fan of hers, nor am I credulous to everything she says. But I acknowledge that she has a platform, which is more than I can say for a stupid someone, whose “platform” is just two pages of heartstring issue bullet points. To be clear, I didn’t tell you to read anything. I asked someone else if they’ve read her platform, and you jumped in.
Yes
And yet during the q&a she fumbled so hard because all she could say is “Trump bad”, going so far as to avoid every question. Shit like “if you could push anything through the Congress, what would be the one primary issue you would choose?”. Literally there on the plate. But she didn’t answer, instead saying “all of them are important”. She said that Trump’s wall was a good idea. When asked if she’d be for appointing more judges to the Supreme Court, she said she wants to reform it but she doesn’t know how and needs to do research. Of course no change re: Palestine. She even said that now that Sinwar is dead, there will be peace in Palestine. And then she said that people who see Palestine as an important issue will still vote for her because of the price of groceries. And then kept talking about Trump. And then when asked if she would support Israel more than Trump would, she again avoided the question, and again defaulted to “Trump bad”.
It feels like the heat got turned on almost all the way up with this election
nope.
tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.
longer:
If you vote for Trump, you’re selfish, psychopathic, and are trying to damage the US more than it already is.
If you vote for anyone who isn’t Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.
tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.
This part is true
If you vote for anyone who isn’t Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.
Until we are no longer bound by the Electoral College, this is false. “Not Trump” isn’t a candidate, and the single candidate with the most votes get the electoral votes. If Trump gets 49% and the “not Trump” votes get 51% but no single “not Trump” candidate gets above 49%, then Trump wins even though Trump got less votes than “not Trump”
The only way to meaningfully vote “not Trump” is to vote for the “not Trump” candidate who everyone is rallying around rather than throwing a stupid protest vote to a third party candidate.
In the 2016 republican primary, Trump got 44.9% of the vote. Three “not Trump” candidates got 50.2% combined, but it was divided between them.
If it is a protest vote, as goes your assumption without evidence? it’s dumb, but it’s their right.
most people vote on policy, so they’re voting for third party candidates that have a stronger stance on whatever policy there is.
in this particular election, Harris already achieved more effective policy change than third candidate platforms in terms of environmentalism, minority rights, and so on, so it makes logical sense to vote for her if you’re a political liberal, but if somebody wants to vote for Stein or anybody else because that candidate is more aligned with their views, that is just as valid as voting for Harris.
they are voting as they should, not as some are hoping they will be scared into voting.
voting sincerely is not “stupid”.
voting sincerely is not “stupid”.
If we ever move to some kind of ranked choice or go by the popular vote instead of this gamed Electoral College system? Sure, vote your conscience. Until then, I expect people to rub two brain cells together, see and acknowledge there is a bigger picture, and realize that their moral purity protest vote is counter-productive when everything they want will be impossible if Trump wins.
The system is broken, but that doesn’t mean you have to abandon your principles.
their vote is as valid as any other.
it may be less effective because of the adequated US electoral system, but any vote itself is as valid as any other.
“I expect people to rub two brain cells together”
they’re not dumb, you’re insulting them because they disagree with your perspective.
“see and acknowledge there is a bigger picture”
they probably understand your perspective, there’s no reason why they wouldn’t .
“and realize that their moral purity protest vote”
again, they see things differently, so you are insulting them for no reason.
people talk about third party votes incorrectly as you are here, but most third-party voters vote for the candidate they most believe in, not purely is a protest against the two-party system .
that is a false narrative constructed by the people who have fallen prey to some moral adherence two-party system.
“everything they want will be impossible if Trump wins.”
you are scared of what might happen if Trump wins. third party voters are not willing to compromise their values over their fear.
in this particular election, I don’t think there’s much argument for any of the third party candidates over Harris, but any of those votes are valid and valuable.
No. It really is. In 2016, 50,000 Pennsylvanians, including myself, voted for Jill Stein because we didn’t like Hilary. Trump won Pennsylvania by less than 50,000 votes and won the presidency.
It was fucking stupid and we wouldn’t even be discussing this piece of shit today, if we hadn’t revenge voted.
it sucks that Trump won, but your vote was valid and no third party voter was throwing their vote away.
they just lost.
Trump won for many other reasons besides third party voters.
there were a lot of bullshit tactics in 2016 that added up to way more votes lost that had a stronger impact on the election result than third-party voters sticking to their values.
shit, gerrymandering is still legal in the US and your voter registrations have practically no protection from interference. That’s insane.
If you voted according to your values, you voted well.
If you voted according to your values, you voted well.
Exactly. And while I agree, I also live somewhere that uses a variety of ranked choice voting for some elections.
If someone truly wants to vote their values they should also have some understanding of how their voting system works.
If a vote for the candidate you believe in results in your least preferred candidate getting ahead, shouldn’t you consider a compromise vote to get a candidate closer to your values in power?
“If a vote for the candidate you believe in results in your least preferred candidate getting ahead, shouldn’t you consider a compromise vote to get a candidate closer to your values in power?”
sure, and they probably do.
your statement implies that third party voters are politically illiterate and aren’t considering their vote, which doesn’t hold any water.
do you think all Harris or Trump voters are carefully considering their options?
many are voting according to a familiar primary color.
from simple logic, third-party voters are likely more politically considerate than primary color voters.
a lot of the arguments against third-party voting are arguments against voting in general.
that is usually my problem, as it is here, with complaining about third-party voting.
it is completely predicated on the assumption that 3rd party voters are making the “wrong” decision in some fundamental way that primary color voters are not, although the hypothetical flaws that could apply to a third- party voter already apply to primary color voters.
If you don’t assume that the right to vote is “wrong” for people who don’t agree with you in the first place, then your complaints about third party voting fall apart.
third party voters like a different candidate.
and that’s good and they should vote for them if they want to.
a lot of the arguments against third-party voting are arguments against voting in general.
Maybe. But with the system in place a vote for a third-party candidate is effectively an abstention. I think you’re right that they’re more politically considerate and wanting to make a difference. It’s the desire to make a difference and effectively abstaining that seems incongruous.
I get what you’re saying, because that’s what I was saying in 2016, and if more people voted third party, it WOULD make a difference in the future.
But if those third party voters vote for Harris, it would make a BIGGER difference NOW.
yup.
It is their right and it’s our right, if not duty, to call them out for exercising their right to the extreme detriment of the very constitution that grants them that right.
“if not duty”
definitely not duty…
“for exercising their right to the extreme detriment…”
…since this isn’t happening.
“…that grants them that right.”
a right you are trying to bully them into not exercising because they won’t do what you say.
interfering with somebody’s right to vote is not as jingoistic as you hope to perform.
Sincerity doesn’t preclude stupidity. Voting to maintain an aesthetic while knowing it’s causing greater harm is stupid.
“Sincerity doesn’t preclude stupidity.”
nor does sincerity require it.
bland sort of statement, isn’t it?
“Voting to maintain an aesthetic”
is that how you vote?
try not to project your insecurities onto others.
Working to split the vote against Harris is effectively a vote for Trump and for fascism.
third party voters are not working to “split the vote”, they are voting for their preferred candidate.
also known as “voting” in healthy democracies.
and no, a vote for a different candidate is not a vote for Trump, that is fundamentally inaccurate fear-based alarmism.
it’s okay that you’re afraid, but that’s no reason to dismantle democracy.
I really want this to be true, and I used to believe it, but our voting system is convoluted with a winner-takes-all mechanism. It isn’t a direct democracy where all votes are equal and it’s naive to ignore our elector-based system that encourages total domination of the big boys over everyone else.
Give me ranked choice voting and I’ll vote for my actual preferred candidate. Otherwise, I have to vote for who can actually have a chance to win.
I’m saying this sincerely: it’s fantastic that a growing minority of Americans have finally understood and begun talking about the critical flaws in their broken electoral system. it really only happened to this election cycle, as far as I can see.
living in a broken system does not invalidate your vote.
it may make their vote less effective, but a third-party vote is just as valid as any other.
they’re living and voting according to their principles.
The system is broken, but that doesn’t mean you have to abandon your principles.
their vote is as valid as any other.
third party voters are not working to “split the vote”, they are voting for their preferred candidate.
Unfortunately with the electoral college, it is splitting the vote. Without ranked choose voting, voting for anyone other than a D or an R is literally throwing your vote away.
No, they aren’t.
they’re living and voting according to their principles.
The system is broken, but that doesn’t mean you have to abandon your principles.
their vote is as valid as any other.
it may be less effective because of the adequated US electoral system, but any vote itself is as valid as any other.
To quote DBZa’s Android 16:
“But there you stand, the good man, doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles into blood-stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
Life isn’t some black and white fair tale story where if you stick to your guns hard enough everything will turn out ok. Sometimes you have to abandon your principles to protect them.
“…doing nothing”
voting is literally the political opposite of doing nothing.
“your rigid pacifism crumbles into blood-stained dust,”
this quote is irrelevant; it is a wildly inaccurate analogy for actively voting.
“Sometimes you have to abandon your principles to protect them.”
pffffff hAHaha sorry Chamberlain, but especially in politics, self-righteous groveling submission isn’t as honorable or as effective as the fearful snakes hissing in your ear assure you it is.
duverger’s “law” shows that the problem with fptp is that people strategically vote, leading to party consolidation. values voting prevents party consolidation
This explains the stupid in America’s voting system that makes “voting for not-kamala” the same as “basically voting for trump”. It sounds like idiotic extremism if you don’t have the specific context this video provides. In truth it’s just a weird aftereffect of bad voting rules. It’s worth checking out!
i’ve been well aware of us electoral problems for a long time.
I’m assuming your video is either about ranked choice voting or the electoral College?
I am happy that Americans have finally learned about ranked choice voting this election cycle and are eagerly spreading the news, I really am, but it isn’t news to everyone.
it is idiotic extremism to blame third party voters for systemic problems.
you want third party voters to vote like you vote.
That’s fine.
but they don’t have to listen and them voting for Jill Stein or anybody else’s just as valid as them voting for kamala.
it may not be as effective, or logical this election cycle, since Harris has already enacted so many third-party progressive policies, but everyone should vote for their preferred candidate.
yup, FPTP videos.
I am very glad Americans are finally paying attention to this part of electoral reform.
you can track down gerrymandering, registration purges, and several other significant problems in the US electoral system that actually difference your elections.
after you collect them all, it is glaringly obvious that third party voters, who vote for good candidates, unjustifiably receive the brunt of ire that should be focused on systemic electoral policies.
voting is good.
it is good that people are voting for third party candidates.
it’s great that people are voting for Harris.
voting is good.
It is against US law and international law to send weapons to a country guilty of genocide.
Did Harris forget about this?
Trump “wants them to finish the job”,…
And Biden did what to stop them over the past 12 months? Vetoed UN ceasefire twice, vetoed Palestinian statehood, sent thousands of tons of weapons to Israel despite knowing they break international law and have blocked aid entry to civilians, and now is helping Israel invade Lebanon and strike Iran. Trump is saying it but Biden is doing it now.
Whose fault is it that the genocide continued for a year and might be inherited by Trump? In the end we find out that in 2023 Biden is as bloodthirsty as he was in 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon.
Trump assassinated Solemani. That was the starting point.
We both agree on “genocide bad” so why do you make a difference if it’s done by Biden or trump or Harris?
I think you hope for the destabilization of the USA and their downfall, which is totally legit as you seem to be from the Middle East. But don’t veil your intentions by hiding behind bogus arguments, defending Trump as the better choice. He isn’t, only for religious extremists who want to command the private lifes of others… oh wait, that’s basically extremist Muslims or Project 2024 Christians. Ahh… now I understand! SORRY… you are 100% correct from your perspective.
I never defended Trump. In fact you will find that Trump is far less popular than Harris among Arab Americans and Muslim Americans. No Democratic presidential nominee in fact won a majority of white votes since LBJ, not even Clinton in 1992 and 1996. It is white people who mostly support Trump and Republicans. An insignificant minority of Arabs or Muslims not voting for Harris in Michigan or Pennsylvania won’t matter.
You are assuming too much about me too. I’m not Muslim or religious for example.
wow, seems both trump and harris supporters are not just pro-genocide but bigots as well.
I thought that was just them being Dutch.
Dutch guy here, fair assessment.
Though I did not vote for Wilders. I voted for the animal rights party, because they are against war. Period.
Sadly, we have a lot of idiots in this country that believe that foreigners are the root cause of all problems, because of years of indoctrination by certain politicians. Which is why the far right won.
Yeah totally pro genocide. The only one against it is you,… Hero! Everybody clap for this morally pristine specimen.
wow thnx, please clap harder as i am also against prison slavery, fracking and that two faced lying hack that dnc has given us this time. clap harder you clowns and go lick some lobbyists boots.
Vote for a fascist or a puppet of you must, but don’t come crying when the wold burns… You lit it up by dividing the force which could have prevented it over explaining why your Morales and solutions are superior… clowns everywhere as it seems, in your mirror too.
I agree, and it’s complete bullshit.
But I’m going to vote for “genocide and some safety for my Trans and female friends” over “more genocide, gay bashing, and forced birthing”. It’s our only two choices until there is either a change in the voting system, or better yet, a revolution.
I respect this even if I don’t agree with it. If you believe voting for Harris is harm reduction then you have to and it is a moral imperative. So I do understand and empathize with people who are honest about how the Democrats are failing but still see critical issues like democracy, gender equality and rights, and the environment better handled by them.
However I believe this hope and faith is misplaced. But I realized this after 6 presidential elections, so I don’t dare to deny you your own experience and personal growth. In 2020 I still had hopes that the border detention will be over if we just get Trump and his racist goons out. The border camps are still here…
Somehow it feels like the government is on autopilot and the only thing elections change is the intensity.
I appreciate the respect and I can assure you that it is mutual. I can completely understand where you are coming from, and your stance. “Harm reduction”, is a good way to put it, because that’s all it really feels like. It doesn’t feel good to feign support for a regime that supports such atrocities, but here I am thanks to our joke of a system.
challenging my nationalism? that’s like one of the isms i’m most sensitive about
next you’ll tell me that if i don’t love amerikkka, i can leave?
Yeah the constitution totally doesn’t need a rewrite or a few extra amendments thrown in
It needs to be thrown out and restarted from scratch. The status quo is not good, it is very bad and I’m suspicious of anyone who defends it
LOL
The polls are so even that they’ve stooped to: “IF you don’t vote Kamala you hate America.”
The tens of millions of people Kamala needs to skip a badly-needed day’s pay in order to vote aren’t going to listen to these nonsensical platitudes.
Hard to know how to respond when there’s not really a sensible point to begin with.
Minimizing contrarians is a tried and true tactic for making oneself feel better. I won’t judge.
Yes, because Trump is the one who cares about people working paycheque to paycheque.
He certainly doesn’t, I agree.
Actually you can vote from home by mail.
Depends on the state.
But some places, yes, you can.
Thanks to broken Democratic promises, your rights depend on your zip code.
your rights depend on your zip code.
Isn’t that literally the point of state’s rights?
The tens of millions of people Kamala needs to skip a badly-needed day’s pay in order to vote
If people are too stupid to know early voting exists and how to do so, then that’s their own fucking problem.
This is the same stuff people were saying in the weeks leading up to the election in 2016.
And there it is, the scratched liberal reveals themselves
Le leeebreal! Look everyone! This is actually how everyone but me feels! Do you see me the juxtaposition and how amazing I, then, am?
I hate America but don’t want Trump. What do?
vote Kamala. anything else will make you hate everywhere else in addition to America :D
Reddit ahh post. Genuinely what is the point of Lemmy dot world if every community is just scolding people about the fact you’re glazing a genocide denier
God, is there anywhere that isn’t full of US politics???
It’s because it’s nearing their election it’s ramping up.
Voting is already ongoing in many states, today crossed 40 million early votes. For the next 1.5wk avoiding politics and crazy advertisements for/against candidates is impossible if you live in the US. Given the size of the country and its worldwide economic dominance it’s impossible to not be impacted by US politics regardless of where you live.
This is the most absurd thing I’ve ever read. Both of them have a poor track record on the constitution. A weird fantasy people have cooked up in their head without evidence shouldn’t be the best of lemmy. It can be a fear. It can be a fear people talk about. But the best content of anything? I hope not.
Do you want to know why Kamala is doing poorly in the election odds. It’s not that she’s a worse candidate. People vote for or against social movements. Plenty of reason to vote against the MAGA social movement. But middle america is voting against the delusionment they see on the left and that they see on internet formums. This kind of disconnect from reality scares them, and they vote against your candidate.
Election odds? You mean the betting markets where 4 users dumped 30 million dollars on Trump coincidentally when Elon Musk started campaigning for him Pennsylvania? The odds that had her leading by 5 points that those 30 mil shifted to losing by 15?
Or are you talking about the polling, which has been an absolute shiteshow for 10 years because no one picks up their phones for random numbers anymore?
Believing a candidate when they tell you who they are is the opposite of delusion.
USAmerican politics really seeps into every nook and cranny on the goddamn web. I’d much rather read about something happening in the rest of America than USAmerica. It gets really annoying…
I’m in America. I’d that too, which is kind of the motivation - get that narcissist gone for good should free to a loooooot of attention he’s stealing.
I live here. I want Trumpet to lose this election so bad. Mostly because if he is elected, I do think there is a real danger of him abusing his power. That his policies may kill thousands of Americans again.
But also, because I am so fucking tired of hearing about every little thing he says. I wish we could go back to the not verging on the edge of fascism politics were I don’t have to hear or worry about what inane thing the most powerful person in my country has said today.
Can’t wait for this to be over. In the meantime I should set up some keyword filters in my Lemmy client
Ah that’s actually a great idea
Like it or not, these guys can duck up the entire world pretty badly. I can’t afford to ignore it, even if I don’t live anywhere near the U.S.
What are you going to do with the knowledge of them fucking up their economy and voting for a talking orange? What’s that knowledge worth? Are you going to pull your money out of all the AMZN stocks you bought? Send a strongly worded letter to Kamala for not being more radical? Fly across the sea to assassinate an upcoming dictator?
Why is this where your mind goes? Genuinely.
Tell me what you’re going to do with the daily updates on the election or some other dumb shit happening in the USA. I’m genuinely curious.
I’m going to understand that this is a pretty consequential election and Americans are going to want to talk about it?
And you wouldn’t have that without the daily updates? From one day to the next you forget there’s an election and need a constant reminder? How old are you? Do you need to get checked for dementia?
Talking about it would be enough.
It would find it’s way to a citizen that could make a difference.
There is a reason most modern dictatorships restrict access to the the Internet.
No yeah even most people that live here can’t do shit about it. It’s basically celebrity shit, to most people, it’s just that they’re obviously going to removed about it because it maybe tenuously has an effect on their lives. We may be cooked
Nothing’s stopping you from reading anything else? The internet as a whole is mostly american-based, so there’s plenty out there to read about.
The internet as a whole is mostly american-based
Well that’s a narrow-minded view…
It is though. Not saying it should be that way or that it should remain that way, or that there aren’t internet spaces out there that aren’t American based. Just that the large majority of it is.
As a USAmerican in a swing state I’m pretty sick of it too.
Imagine this shit polluting your SMS and email in addition to the rest of the web.
Why do people keep saying USAmericans? It looks and sounds stupid, you can just say Americans, everyone will know who you’re talking about .
Because USians didn’t stick, but their pompousness continued on.
I prefer burgerlanders personally.
Most xenophobes do.
^worlds lamest attempt at insulting someone.
you can just say
Americanspeople, everyone will knowwhoyou’re talking about USA.Fixed this for you. Kind of a pet peeve of mine when people use ‘defaults’, like everyone on the internet are in America, or if you’re talking to someone from a capital of a different country they will assume you’re also in the capital, everyone lives in America timezone, everyone using English uses en_US locale, and if by some bizarre chance you’re in another country you can only switch language and country together, etc
Ask someone from South America
Does anyone else in the world call them Americans? No and you know it
OMG, how could I have forgotten that the country taking up less than a quarter of two continents, both called America, called dibs on “American”? Sorry Beta #1. I shall discard the fact that there are 34 other countries which use the demonym “American”.
I didn’t know geographical size denoted who gets to claim being called Americans. You’re arguing in bad faith and you know it, because you know no one else in the world calls anyone else Americans except for people from the United States of America. It’s silly to argue otherwise, I’m not saying anything controversial here.
People love being anti-american contrarians on the internet even if it means being abhorrently wrong.
Considering America’s choices and influence impact every country on earth, (positive or negative), is it really a surprise?
Does it have to be a surprise to be annoying?
Probably not, but then it also shouldn’t come as a surprise that you being annoyed will have little impact
Never said it would 🤷
It’s because we have the least stable democracy and the most economic influence out of any country in the world
!bestoflemmy
wait
What if I hate America and voted for Kamala?
Thank you for having more mercy than hatred.
I just hate Donald Trump more.
Good enough, for the next few weeks.
Thanks for that, too
Yall suckin eachothers pee pees hardcore
Just like your mom. And your dad.
Summin wrong with suckin dick?
Sum ting Wong?
Wee tu lo
Sorry for being grateful to someone contributing to me, ideally, not being killed by a fascist government. I’ll remember to be more ungrateful and apathetic next time we disparate folk all have to band together to prevent a fascist from being elected by the dumber half of the country.
You’re here watching lol
mmm yes this worked so well for Clinton in 2016
they are likely on dnc gravy train to be so rabid. they don’t give a fck about america. honestly at this point i want trump to get elected and jail all these scammers in dnc so we can have an actual progressive party for a change. bill burr once said it very well in a skit that a lot of people are voting for trump not because racism but because they see current dnc as a party of entitled lying cunts. how else we got from selecting the first black president to a lying orange turd
Hey look, a .ml opinion that is the opposite of anyone actually paying attention. I hope their attention-getter works well! Have they latched onto your emotions yet? Do you feel bad enough about existence to abandon your self interests yet? Can you deny russia and China’s genocides yet? Don’t you see how it helps the state? The correct state?
so now we are bargaining which genocides are ok ? what next we will be bargaining slavery.
rot in hell hypocrite cunt
How is electing Trump gonna name “an actual progressive party” a thing in the US? Did I miss him believably promising to replace FPTP and the electoral college?
electing harris will cement the dnc belief that they can get away with defrauding their voter base and even a brutal genocide as long as they got a boogeyman to scare the voters into electing them again. this dnc is full of rotten people whose lifestyle depend on govt grants which is going to dry up under a non-dnc win.
so next time they will try to give a fig about the actual democratic agenda or leave dnc to join trump so better people take their place. cherry on the cake will be pelosi, biden and harris getting jailed for life but we all know that’s not gonna happen.
I don’t see how it’s any better if Trump gets away with even worse acts.
The US’ fucked up electoral system as-is only provides these two candidates. That is a massive problem in itself that needs to be addressed. But not by electing a proto-fascist that’s already attempted a takeover last time.
Mmm privileged accelerationist posting. What a treat
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In as clear as I can be in saying this. Fuck you.
If you think Trump will do anything good for the US you are a delusional idiot, an accelerationist, or a foreign disinformation agent.
Again… fuck you.
Double Dutch Fuck
