I don’t understand the stewards on this one. The attacker has to prepare for a pass this late in the race. It’s a fighter in round 5 creating an opportunity to win. You can’t cheap shot the attacker and then go “guess you’ll have to try again.” It makes no sense.
They even tell teams to handle off track incidents themselves before they get involved. Well the defender went off the track because they lost control (aka purposely came off the brake) and couldn’t make the corner. The defender destroyed all that preparation by leaving the track, thereby gaining a multiple lap advantage! Clearly the attacking car should keep the place. But now it’s up to the stewards to decide apparently.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Both Verstappen and Norris were in the wrong and of the two Norris was clearly the one gaining a bigger advantage from his wrong, gaining a position VS maintaining a position.
If you penalize neither driver then Norris gains an advantage.
If you penalize just Verstappen Norris gains an even bigger advantage.
If you penalize Norris he gets a disadvantage with his advantage.
If you penalize both then it’s as if nobody got penalized.
If you penalize both but Norris more severely you get the same outcome as if you’ve penalized only Norris.
You might not like it but Norris deserved that penalty, what he did was against the rules. What Norris should’ve done is give the position back and try to get a penalty for Max for pushing Norris off the track.
I agree with your assessment.
My solution in this case would be: 5 second penalty to NOR, like they issued and 10 second penalty to VER for driving unfairly and with ill intent for the millionth time.
I’d go with 5 seconds penalty for Lando overtaking off track and a 5 seconds penalty for max for forcing another driver off track. Lando would have made the corner, max chose not to.
Maybe that’s the info McLaren will present to the stewards but we don’t know that,which is why I don’t really agree with any penalties for Max. Norris already gained an unfair advantage with that overtake and punishing both drivers still leaves Lando with that advantage. Considering how stewards have been giving out 10 second penalties Lando getting a 5 second penalty was a slap on the wrist, and it almost didn’t matter because at the end once the penalty was applied the delta between Max and Lando was less than a second. Had it happened a few laps earlier Lando could’ve outpace the penalty.
Based on the information we know, punishing both drivers in that situation sets a weird precedent where sometimes it’s acceptable to overtake off track and I don’t think anyone wants that door to be left open.
So if both get a penalty how is Lando actually penalized for passing off track? He gets a 5 second penalty, but so does Max and those two cancel out which means Lando is still ahead of Max.
I don’t understand the stewards on this one. The attacker has to prepare for a pass this late in the race. It’s a fighter in round 5 creating an opportunity to win. You can’t cheap shot the attacker and then go “guess you’ll have to try again.” It makes no sense.
They even tell teams to handle off track incidents themselves before they get involved. Well the defender went off the track because they lost control (aka purposely came off the brake) and couldn’t make the corner. The defender destroyed all that preparation by leaving the track, thereby gaining a multiple lap advantage! Clearly the attacking car should keep the place. But now it’s up to the stewards to decide apparently.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Both Verstappen and Norris were in the wrong and of the two Norris was clearly the one gaining a bigger advantage from his wrong, gaining a position VS maintaining a position.
You might not like it but Norris deserved that penalty, what he did was against the rules. What Norris should’ve done is give the position back and try to get a penalty for Max for pushing Norris off the track.
I agree with your assessment.
My solution in this case would be: 5 second penalty to NOR, like they issued and 10 second penalty to VER for driving unfairly and with ill intent for the millionth time.
I’d go with 5 seconds penalty for Lando overtaking off track and a 5 seconds penalty for max for forcing another driver off track. Lando would have made the corner, max chose not to.
Maybe that’s the info McLaren will present to the stewards but we don’t know that,which is why I don’t really agree with any penalties for Max. Norris already gained an unfair advantage with that overtake and punishing both drivers still leaves Lando with that advantage. Considering how stewards have been giving out 10 second penalties Lando getting a 5 second penalty was a slap on the wrist, and it almost didn’t matter because at the end once the penalty was applied the delta between Max and Lando was less than a second. Had it happened a few laps earlier Lando could’ve outpace the penalty.
Based on the information we know, punishing both drivers in that situation sets a weird precedent where sometimes it’s acceptable to overtake off track and I don’t think anyone wants that door to be left open.
I disagree. I think weirdly letting max run drivers off track is a sore that I don’t think anyone wants to be left open
So if both get a penalty how is Lando actually penalized for passing off track? He gets a 5 second penalty, but so does Max and those two cancel out which means Lando is still ahead of Max.
yeah, I’m okay with that. had max but a acted illegally, Lando would have passed him
So if the roles were reversed, if Max had overtaken Norris that way, you’d also be okay with that?
yeah, because i’d have been massively unimpressed with Lando’s cheating.
Also, because I’m not a Lando fan especially.