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Because it’s been done so many times and it’s mostly just cheesy stuff. There’s really no new way to show people having sex in movies/shows.
Sex in movies peaked in Team America. You know the one.
Exactly! I think this graph deserves a special line for puppet sex.
I noticed this as well. I don’t really care either way, just that it was noticeable. The other part I noticed is that if there is nudity, I feel like it’s a way higher percentage that it’s a male. I’m not going to lie if I had to choose I would rather see the other sex, but I understand we had way too long of a time with it being a one-way street.
It’s due to easier accessibility to porn. It both reduces demand for the relatively timid sex scenes in films and also reduces their edginess/shock value.
I also think this is it. Sex scenes in movies used to have an effect on people. Now they just tune out and go get a snack and a drink or something until it’s over. Boooriiing. I will say, though, some filmmakers have been forced to get creative. That scene in Bladerunner 2049 was pretty hot. It didn’t even need to include anything gratuitous.
Yeah, but I think sex scenes don’t need any shock value or compete with porn. They can depict the many ways sex influences people irl.
Shock value being non-zero desensitizes the public. I mean, this is a problem with everything today from action movies to software, so not sure if I can even find an example showing that this is a bad idea.
But they could, you know, go for subtlety and artful cinematography and acting, lights and colors, sounds and shadows.
But would be strange to expect that from sex when they don’t do that with central parts. Movies like “Blade Runner” and “Total Recall” are something unthinkable today.
All the colors in the fucking universe and they pick three shades of gray.
Yes and then they used a very misleading non-zero axis. More truthful would be to show this as the percent that it is, and sex scenes went from being in 40% to 26% of the top 250 movies. So now I wonder how else they biased this, maybe in selecting the sample size…
I wonder how much of this correlates with the rise of intimacy coordinators. I’m sure there are productions that think it’s not worth the investment so they just scrap the scene and have it take place off camera etc.
And perhaps a rise in actors not wanting to have their stuff on the internet forever now (even more so with the rise of AI training)
I think it correlates more strongly to the prevalence of pornography. Mainstream movie scenes look fake and contrived, because they are. As unrealistic as pornography is, that is actually a dick, and it is actually going in a vagina.
When your mainstream movie sex scene is going to be compared (unfavorably) to a scene of two people actually fucking, why bother even shooting it?
I think this only happens because sex is as fake as most other emotions in today’s movies.
I also hate how everything is glossy, even character faces. Even fear, blood and shit are glossy.
FFS, old Hollywood with exceptionally cute actors on main roles still would have a bit of that noble mess around, chaotic here and there and in conversations. Good 3d artists know that you need some chaos in everything distinguishable in your scenes or they will look fake.
It’s rather that fake-looking sex scenes in movies don’t feel like art, they feel like porn without satisfaction. So nobody bothers.
While fixing that culture would require changing the environment around film making. You know, the one forming the demand for bore and glossiness.
I wonder how much of this is because Disney owns everything.
Disney isn’t above making R-rated cinema
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Category:R-rated_films
Both Deadpool & Wolverine and Alien: Romulus were Disney flix.
No one hung dong in either
I wonder how this would trend if we cut out comic book movies from the stat.
Sex scenes were usually forced in by people screaming sex sells. These days there are different ways to see breasts than going to a cinema.
Good
They NEVER add to the story. Sex scenes are what perverted assholes like Harvey Weinstein wanted.
Yes how could such a core aspect of the human experience possibly have any effect on any story ever
Guillermo Del Toro’s “At The Mountains Of Madness” got rejected because there’s no love interest. Sex scenes rarely if ever add to a movie plot unless that IS the plot
They should have added an interspecies sex scene.
Counter point the orgy in Caligula. Or atleast that one is simply historically accurate, actually I think they may have toned it down.
Sarah Conner banged a time traveller in Terminator and it actually applied to the plot by creating a paradox. It’s one of the very few times that I wasn’t sitting their thinking “WHY THE FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING?? WTF DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??”
Have you ever wondered if you’re just asexual?
No, just not a pervert who doesnt understand the concept of right and wrong times for fucking
Whatever you’re dealing with I hope you get through it friend
Not never, but it’s rare.
Apologies that it’s a link to a paywalled site. I believe they allow viewing one video for free? (I can also give out up to 3 people one week for free, so if anyone’s genuinely interested DM me—preferably not from a lemmy.world account though because federation problems mean I may not receive it for over a week.)
But I found this video and its part 2 very enlightening in terms of ways sex scenes can be used in a way that genuinely does enhance the story.
Jesus tap dancing christ.
WE HAVE PORN! INFINITE PORN!! 24/7 IN OUR POCKETS!!!
We used to find sex on film exciting, now if we get turned on we pause Netflix and hit the real stuff.
And that’s kids how you make an argument about capitalist suppression of sex. Netflix can probably get a 10% revenue boost if they just cut out all the “stimulating” sex scenes.
Usually if it pass the 20 seconds I reach for the keyboard to skip ahead.
I mean, who cares about smushys , I get it you are in love, lets go ahead
Three grey value lines is stupid.
Don’t be stupid.
It’s considered a good design practice if you want to draw attention to a particular metric
what, you want 47 more shades of grey? that’ll kinda contradict the OP, though.
It’s about the red line. Don’t mind the grey noise.
Incline if use of shades of greys in diagrams instead of easily identifiable colours: up 500%
46 Shades of Grey Short
My question would be how much of this is actors no longer being completely subjected to the gross wims of the director. How many scenes had little to do with a story and felt more like the director using the opportunity to make pretty people obey them.
We have intimacy directors now and what may also be happening is individuals having more say in production and in their bodily autonomy and I don’t see that as an issue particularly.
Did random sex scenes really hit the level of art for you folks? Is pornography art the same way? 🤔 You know both are made for mass sale and consumption usually, the same way, much more than trying to make content to say anything.
But um “it so bad we block the titties!” or whatever is popular to say. Even though i personally don’t remember many that added anything story related. Show me them bonding in a real way, sex doesn’t cement anything if you’ve ever had a cheating partner, but a real collection of moments spent together between them that shows understanding and sacrifice for each other can really have an impact.
Even cheating can have an impact (mostly negative) and in general, sex or even the absense thereof influences our life and therefore is worth depicting in a movie. Bad sex scenes are as awkward and boring as bad action scenes. Both can be done well and be plot relevant or artistic.
Do you have a movie or show as an example specifically or just a general “can”?
I do have many movies specifically, from the top of my head: the Poor Things, Brokeback Mountain, Breaking the Waves, the 5th Element (where it’s just for fun and it’s ok), the English Patient.
Sex scenes in movies are a combination of this weird shameful “I want to show I’m having sex but I can’t actually show it” and “It’s almost like porn if you removed all the porn.”
You’re really stuck in a pointless awkward middle ground that satisfies nobody. And 95% of the time it isn’t even plot relevant so you’re just wasting time. The decline basically just coincides with internet access to the masses.
I want Dennis Reynolds to direct. That way any sex scenes will show full penetration and actually be worth having in.
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how about marionette sex? cause the extended version of Team America World Police has like 3 minutes of uncensored doll sex and it is hilarious
It reminds me about the sex scene from Family Guy
I correlate it with the weird feelings that religion introduced about sex and let Al Pacino speak my feelings in Devil’s Advocate:
“let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He’s a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do? I swear, for His own amusement, His own private cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It’s the goof of all time. Look, but don’t touch. Touch, but don’t taste. Taste, don’t swallow.”
Not all religion. (I know, this reads funny.)
There are Christian societies where this kind of repression doesn’t exist. It’s treated as something very important, though, and you show such feelings (in social perception) towards the person you want to have kids with, but without this strange contradiction.
Though most kinds of European Christianity are like what you said.
And then I want to say one thing - this contradiction already existed in Greek and Roman pagan religions. We tend to imagine those folks as some olive and fish smelling libertines, always half-naked. But even getting drunk (on a party, where everyone drinks wine) was considered something really shameful and hedonistic. Sexual morale was considered pretty important. Prostitution and non-obligating contacts would happen, but there’s no society without such.
Yes, but why? Sex is an important part of human life and relationships, it influences people’s behaviour and decisions, yet it’s being depicted less and less and often not in a satisfying way. So why doesn’t it get depicted in a meaningful and plot relevant way? A good recent example that it can be done is The Poor Things (sexuality is one of the main topics there and is depicted and talked about very openly).
You can show cute emotions of real people having a moment relevant to their arcs and the plot.
You won’t show anything of meaning in a mainstream movie, though.
Funny how the peak of sex in movies was right around the time Tommy Wiseau blessed the world with 3 sex scenes the first 30 minutes of one movie.
That man has a glorious ass and anyone who got turned off to sex in movies because of it deserves shame
