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On one hand, eff Microsoft and install Debian. It’ll run on a potato.
On the other hand, I look forward to the coming glut of secondhand PCs I can install Debian on.
As melon scratchers go, that’s a honey doodle.
Either way, you’re net positive.
I think we’re gonna see a dramatic rise in Linux systems in the coming years if Microsoft keeps this course. Nvidia have started upping their Linux driver game as well so it’s gonna be a breeze to pick up decent second hand systems and reselling them with a proper OS that’ll take us to the end of the world in 24 years.
I think you’re massively underestimating the laziness of most people, and overestimating their level of concern. People. Don’t. Care.
Yeah I think you’re 100% correct but a guy can hope. For my country, if it’s gonna touch them in their wallets I guess we might see a change. On the other hand, most folks walk around with 8 year old fucked up laptops that desperately need replacing anyway so they’ll just get that new one after all.
My wife is more technical than all of her friends and family, plus she has me to help her understand stuff she doesn’t understand. Does she get concerned when I tell her all the fucked up shit these companies are pulling? Nope! She gets annoyed at me for being a downer. If she’s an above average user, and she doesn’t care, then how little do average users care? If I change her settings for her then she’s glad for it, but she won’t go figure out how to do any of it on her own. She just doesn’t care enough to spend the time doing that.
I am in the exact same position there. My wife uses her laptop only professionally now, she used to game on it but she has a Series S for that now. I once asked her if she wanted windows 11 on her laptop since it meets the requirements, she’s way to afraid it’ll be too different so switching to Linux will be too much of a hassle
I would have already put Linux on my wife’s computer, but she has a Surface Pro, and I’ve read that there aren’t any distros that will get all of the hardware for those working properly. I don’t want her first experience with a Linux system to be something that is inferior. But she started saying a couple weeks ago that she wants a gaming system, so I bought parts for one last week, and I’m going to put Linux on it after I build it. That’ll be a good introduction for her, and if she loves it then she’ll be a Linux convert!
I think primarily all the systems using like Skylake and Kaby Lake cpus will now flock to Linux after win10 support is over. The i7-7700K is still a beast so it’d be a shame if that becomes e-waste. I think we’ll see it getting used in home media servers and the like. My old i7-4770 is in my home server with Arch Linux and it does great.
Don’t you mean 13 years and 3 months? At least, that’s when the UNIX Epoch ends…
If you’re on a kernel newer than 5.6 (which is almost 5 years old now so you should be) you already have 64-bit time.
Been reading this sentiment for twenty years now.
And yet it’s stayed true. Linux is above 1% on steam and rising every year, it’s never been easier to buy a Linux device, or install and use Linux for desktop consumer purposes, and even the tech uninformed know Microsoft is a bag of dicks.
Recent Linux gain is inflated due to Steam Deck. Their market share has been pretty stale for years at 1,5%.
That’s not really being inflated, steam deck and the prerequisite investment into proton is why most gamers can switch to Linux without encountering a single issue these days.
If that were the case, the market share at least should have doubled after people saw it was viable for desktop gaming. That didn’t happen. It only gained a predicted increase from the estimated sales of Steam Deck’s, which indeed inflates the desktop PC numbers.
So we don’t count Microsoft Surfaces running windows or windows (on arm)?
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Thank you MS for working so hard to boost Linux market share.
Smells like Microsoft air in here… A bit stale, dirty, corporate vibe.
Windows users have no idea what they are missing out on by avoiding Linux.
Honestly, I’m afraid of how complicated it sounds and have no idea where to begin.
In my opinion Linux is now easier to install than windows. The installers don’t have any user hostility built-in, nagging you for Microsoft accounts or activation kets or any of that crap. Once it’s Installed you could park your grandma in front of it and she’d be able to figure out how to surf the web.
I’m pretty sure that there are grandmas now who have actually used Linux.
The only difficult part is getting Linux on to a USB stick. After that, you boot your computer from the USB stick and click next, next, next until it’s done. It’s super easy.
There are guides how to burn a iso file with the Linux distinction to a USB stick too. Just start there, see if you can do that as step one.
As for Linux distro, pick something common and easy, like Pop OS or Fedora.
My computer can’t upgrade to Win11 and I am buying a new one, but I’m putting Linux on it.
My computer can upgrade to win11. I clearly remember the vendor stating that when I bought it last year.
I’ll continue with linux, though.
Mine too. I tried 11 and went back to 10. Honestly, only thing keeping me on Windows currently is my plex*arr servers. Guess I have a year to figure out docker.
I cannot seem to find that setting in uefi to turn on that chip… Anyway, I keep trying to get my VR library (98 games) to register more than 3, and room setup is a major stroke of luck.
If there are any suggestions on a distro that will power my rtx 4070ti super, ryzen 7 3800, 32 gb ram, HTC Vive, on its own 4tb sata SSD, I would like to hear them. So far Kubuntu has gotten me the closest.
Just pointing out, Plex and *arr work on Linux too…
LOL.
I have parts on the way to build a new PC. Believe it or not, also Linux.
If one’s hardware is 10+ years old, I don’t think upgrading to the latest OS is likely high on their list of priorities.
Why upgrade hardware that still does all you need?
BlizzardMicrosuck: “Don’t you all have bank accounts?”Considering I have Logitech devices that don’t even work on Win11 without first disabling a bunch of security settings…why bother? When some of your major vendors don’t have drivers that work on win11 fully you might want to help them out first before forcing people onto that OS.
just give contractors the option to sell their pcs without your bloatware for a hundred bucks cheaper or something
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I just would like to point out that you would not be using Windows 10 on or past Oct 2025. You have exactly one year to move on.
As soon as it reached end of life you know it will immediately be a huge target. Don’t let personal preference put you at risk.
I mean, not really? Unless someone holds onto a really bad exploit until after that point, it’ll be no different than going increasingly behind on updates, there’s no magic switch that will be thrown that makes it more vulnerable after EOL
One more year of dual-booting should be plenty of time to ween off the Windows teat.
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How many other ways are my personal preferences putting me at risk?
They said that about XP too, but I never heard of anyone getting massively pwned after support stopped.
I hope you are joking…
Because MS is so good at quickly releasing quality patches for every vulnerability that it’s not already a huge target?
Compared to not getting any patches at all? That doesn’t seem like a good justification for staying on something EOL.
I stayed on XP until some game I wanted didn’t work (by that time, 7 was out), I stayed on 7 until some game I wanted didn’t work (by that time, 10 was out). Nothing bad happened to me. I’ll take my chances. At least until I find the time to get into Linux, whenever that may be.
“upgrade”
After about 10 hours of reading and video watching, it seems pretty unanimous that linux mint with cinnamon is the easiest one to use and everything else is hobbyist stuff.
Decent choice, but I massively disagree with the last 6 words
Windows isn’t even that good. The OS is kind of a huge mess. It has two unfortunate advantages though: it’s the default on many devices, and (because of that) software availability is best. I wish it wasn’t the case.
PowerShell is another advantage, oddly enough, though I’ve been worried for a bit the direction they’re going with that… Everything they’re doing now is Azure and they’re pushing everything to Graph, and the way all of it works is a massive pain for anyone trying to use PowerShell the way it was designed to be used
python exists. dont subject yourself to vendor lock-in.
It also has the benefit of inertia. Everyone knows Microsoft from either school or marketing. They are the standard and anyone else has to fight decades of standards. It also helps that they historically created the best tools for easily managing fleets on machines. Now days they are pushing everyone to Azure but before they had the best tools to build your business on. It was so convenient to have Windows server with all the server stuff like AD, SQL and IIS. They basically were they only well known option until the last 5-10 years.
This isn’t news, it’s just the standard notice that Microsoft isn’t going to spend time making their new shiny OS work on 10+ year old hardware.
I dunno, I’ve got a laptop who’s CPU was too new for win 8.1 to have drivers or support for it, and is too old to put win 11 on it…
This is the first time they’ve intentionally cut off the ability to run their OS at all just based on hardware age when it could otherwise run it just fine.
Not dedicating support to old hardware is one thing, blocking it intentionally is something else entirely.
Oh, that laptop? High end gaming laptop that was 6 years old when Windows 11 released. The fact it’s blocked is flat out ridiculous, and defending it is equally ridiculous.
They want you to buy a new Windows license. Also all of there bloated Electron apps run better on fast hardware
FTFY
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Shocked face
Its almost as if Microsoft makes money from new hardware
You make it sound like an older gaming rig wasn’t powerful enough to run win 11. It’s not about the older hardware being too weak, it’s about enforcing their TPM bullshit with which they aim to gradually create an apple style walled garden where they control what you can do with your machine.
idk, sounds like an ad for Linux to me
