• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    But they certainly aren’t going to be a real choice until they have election infrastructure in every state.

    Infrastructure costs money and manpower. Money tends to come from people looking to buy political favors. You can’t dole out political favors if you’re not in power. So power entrenches itself, with a single party dominating a particular seat by way of a patronage system.

    And yeah, that takes time to build.

    It has been built. Show me a state and I’ll show you a Green Party chapter. But it also decays without reinforcement. And it decays rapidly when the party becomes a scapegoat for deficiencies in one of the Big Two.

    We see this with Libertarians as well. Every time the GOP loses, they take a big chunk of blame. People lose enthusiasm as they start getting yelled at by MAGA psychos accusing them of being Deep State agents of the Dem Party. Etc, etc. And eventually, they fold back into the GOP, rather than solidifying as their own party, when the GOP big dollar donors entice them into the tent again.

    I suspect that’s what we’ll see with Greens. A mix of public shaming and private bribing will reincorporate them into the Dem Party where they can be more easily controlled.

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      22 hours ago

      To be fair the Greens have made a massive mistake with Jill Stein. They aren’t going to be the big third party that eventually breaks through unless they seriously reform. But no, a chapter in every state is not the infrastructure you need. Not beyond the most reductive meaning at any rate. You need to be a household name. You need to have been present in the state level political scene already. Election infrastructure is hundreds of people showing up every day to make millions of calls. Thousands of volunteers papering neighborhoods. Supporting PACs and local relationships to generate endorsements. A hundred members who meet once a month isn’t going to cut it.

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        To be fair the Greens have made a massive mistake with Jill Stein.

        She’s been the sacrificial lamb election cycle after election cycle because she’s willing to do the job. If Cornel West hadn’t withdrawn, I could have seen him as a better choice. But given the smearing every Green candidate since Nader has endured, I don’t really blame him for wanting to stay out of the mud.

        You need to be a household name. You need to have been present in the state level political scene already.

        You need billions of dollars to operate at that level. Hell, even the party primaries are these enormous luxurious affairs. So much of this really does just boil down to money, which comes from people looking to buy access to the candidates.

        Supporting PACs and local relationships to generate endorsements.

        Who are the local Green candidates going to get to form PACs on their behalf? You either have a die-hard ideologue like Perot who bankrolls the entire party out of his tech industry fortune, or you have a scattered amalgamation of independent activists who congeal around a third party banner.

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          When you’re getting enough house seats and state legislature seats you can start working on PACs, nobody is going to give you a PAC before you’ve done the work.

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            1 hour ago

            When you’re getting enough house seats and state legislature seats

            Where do you get the money to build the organization to win these seats? States don’t just give them away. A house district can run north of 600,000 residents and cost more than half-a-million in donations to compete in. Even state legislative races are enormous, expensive affairs. And that’s before you get into the incumbency racket of gerrymandered seats and access journalism.

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              There are a few ways.

              Start in highly walkable areas, where meeting voters is better than spending on TV ads.

              Go for seats that aren’t typically contested so the national money isn’t showing up.

              Run for city or council seats first so your name brand builds

              Open community service organizations that are co-branded with your party so people know they’re voting for the organizers of the soup kitchen.

              There are ways of doing it. Just throwing your hands in the air isn’t going to get it done.

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        9 hours ago

        The Green party will never break through and be a viable 3rd option. Period. The Democrats and Republicans control and have ultimate influence over American politics.