I don’t think there are many non-Americans in this thread who are surprised by this.
I’ve lived in the States. I’m not surprised either.
Yeah really. Step 2.54 cm beyond any metropolitan area and the US is deeply lacking in positive quality of life.
The rational person in me knows that IQ as a metric of intelligence has long since been proven to be bullshit pseudoscience.
But the anti-american in me is just going to turn that part of my brain off and chuckle for a few moments…
As an American, this article fits with my experience… but I honestly thought the gap would be larger.
now you’re a true American! one of us! one of us!
We probably need to put some national safeguards in place that keep the states from fucking their own educational systems over.
There should be a national minimum for educational standards that the states are not allowed to bypass.
you must be American, because there is a federal dept of education. Betsy Devos ring a bell?
problem with having a federal department of anything is conservative agendas tend to “poison the well”.
one way to combat this is department heads should be elected not appointed, and they should have term limits imposed.
It’s nearly impossible to do anything good when you have a major conservative party set on doing bad.
You could have a position of “We should provide food to all children so they can learn without being distracted by hunger” and people would be like “that’s communism i’d rather those kids starve”
Which is something that happened recently.
but not in Minnesota! those fuckers got outclassed by Walz.
I’m proud my state started giving out free breakfasts and lunches to all schoolchildren, regardless of income, year round, a full year before Walz did.
I’m not surprised. Immigrating to Canada for seven years and then visiting home was very eye opening.
Healthline is a shit tier source to be fair. Even wikipedia says it is a terrible source. They put it in the same category as the daily mail.
Looks like links to it are completely blacklisted, too. That’s rare to see.
Healthline is a medical resource that is substantially written by non-expert freelance writers and reviewed by non-expert advisors. The content is frequently incorrect misinformation, sometimes dangerously so. Due to the heightened requirements for biomedical and medical sources on Wikipedia, the consensus of editors … was to deprecate Healthline as an unusable source … and to blacklist Healthline as a hazard to readers. References to Healthline should be removed from Wikipedia.
Brutal. If Wikipedia don’t fuck with you just delete yourself off the internet.
Well…yeah I mean Q.E.D. right?
NO WAY
So entire countries are, according to this article, functionally mentally disabled? I find that hard to believe given the bell curve of IQ results.
It’s almost like the test implicitly advantages people similar to the ones who made and maintain it, anr shouldn’t br used as an objective measure of intelligence.
No me not
I can’t believe I’m saying this to defend the people who most often used it to justify their racism but the IQ test is not an objective measure of intelligence and was designed by eugenicists.
I don’t think it was destined by eugenicists. I think it was used by eugenicists and the original creator warned against it being used that way. Basically like Darwinism.
I’ve said this so many times. There’s not even only one kind of intelligence. I once made a music video for what would be the best country fiddle player you ever heard. He literally couldn’t write his own name when he signed the contract.
We can’t even come up with a test that transcends all cultural biases. If we could come up with an objective test, the smartest person in the world could turn out to be an indigenous Brazilian living a stone-age life in the middle of the Amazon.
And if the smartest person in the world was from Slovenia, they probably wouldn’t be able to do anywhere near as well in the Amazon as some of the stupidest members of communities who live there.
Totally. The history of intelligence has sadly also been the story of eugenics. Fortunately, there have been process-based theories and contextual theories that have defined intelligence in more humane and useful ways. In this view, IQ tests do not measure an underlying characteristic, but a set of mental skills. Seen this way, intelligence becomes something people can gain with nurturance. If you’re interested, check out Relational Frame Theory.
Also, the difference between the countries with the highest average IQ and the US was 10 points, which is the same kind of increase you can get in IQ testing scores if you tell the tester that they’ll get $10 if they do well.
Or if they played Tetris regularly. (Although that might be correlational only).
Part of the test is pattern recognition. Playing Tetris trains that.
Only when you’re behind. Lol.
Never have they smashed the down arrow quite as hard .😆
Well they would, if they could read
Oh look, all the stupid Africans. Jesus, how could anyone not question this?
I mashed the down arrow because it’s probably more strongly correlated with GDPPPP or access to free, high quality education than an inherent measure of intelligence. Crappy correlations to pseudomeasurements and concepts with racist results? What is this, the SATs?
Am American and 100% agree. Our country is extremely stupid on average. I def hit upvote lol
not sure whether to up vote or downvoted this comment
50% of americas are more intelligent than average american.
More intelligent than the median American.
Maybe not the mean American because the distribution is skewed as IQs can be higher than 200 but not negative.
In before “MeDiAn iS A TyPe oF AveRAgE, huRRR”.
Technically, yes.
In practice there are but a handful of people with an IQ at or above 200 (the rarity of that is less that 1 in 4 billion - source ).
Even if we do take in account that the bottom of the IQ in live humans is in fact a bit higher than zero, because the extremes are so incredibly rare, the deviation of the mean from the median is in practice minuscule.
1 in 4 billion
Your source was calculated using the NORMDIST function in Excel. Not from empirical data.
Here’s an actual list containing more than 2 people above 200
because the extremes are so incredibly rare, the deviation of the mean from the median is in practice minuscule
Opinion dressed up as fact. To give a counter example this study showed that there were substantial departures from normality in the distribution.
Yeah, the 1 in 4 billion seemed exaggerated on the low end when I read it. I went ahead with it anyway since, even if there are 1000 people with an IQ at or above 200, that by itself would not pull the curve upwards much (because it’s 1000 out of 8 billion people) and hence your original claim that the mean is not the same as the median “because the distribution is skewed as IQs can be higher than 200 but not negative” was bollocks.
My point stands untouched that the justification you originally gave backing your claim that the IQ mean not being the same as the median was mathematically unsupported or, as you so colourfully put it: “opinion dressed as fact”.
As for this paper you linked, it curiously doesn’t back your claim either. From the abstract, we get that whilst the mean is 100 and the mode is indeed 105, the statistical distribution of IQs is NOT a Normal Distribution but rather the sum of TWO Normal Distributions. This means that you can’t in fact make claims about the median from the mode (as you would be able to for a normal distribution, were mean = median = mode) because a sum of two normal distributions has TWO peaks so you can perfectly have one at 105 and another one below that which can yield a median which is equal to or even below the mean.
Again from the abstract those two distributions are “one reflecting normal variation in general intelligence and one refecting normal variation in effects of genetic and environmental conditions involving mental retardation”, which seems to imply that the second has a peak at an IQ value below the first.
That said, I don’t even disagree that your claim that the median is above the mean might be right. What I have yet to see from you so far is something other than “opinion dressed as fact” or quoting of papers which don’t mathematically back your point.
These national tests are yeesh material tho. Subtle, or not so subtle, at least tangential to, eugenicist or nationalistic ideals.
Time to cut the American south loose.
Shocker. The places that basically have forced study schools top out but only just barely.
