But people should be using less soap honestly
but… why?
Healthier skin/hair
Look up curly girl method of hair care. Most people lack hair texture cause their hair is fried
Using too much soap dries your skin. So then you moisturize to make up for it, increasing consumption and pollution when just using less soap would accomplish the same thing without the drawbacks.
so does water with high hydrogencarbonate.
It is quite hard to tell what amount of soap is too much - it’s very individual, because types of skin and the levels of their oiliness/dryness differ greatly. Someone with a dry skin can think everyone is using way too much soap, while a super-oily skin person can think other people’s hygiene is somewhat lacking.
I worked with a guy who thought like this back in the 90s . He stank of Death.
Coincidentally, this is also what the French smelled like centuries ago.
Think you added too many centuries to that
French nobles. They also used a lot of white powder to look like dracula
I worked with a dude who used crystals instead of deodorant. He was a very talented musician so he was still always hanging with a beautiful woman. I loved his music but I couldn’t stand to be around him.
He had the personality of a dude who uses crystals for deo too.
So when you say “used crystals”, what did he physically do with them to “use” them?
Sang to them
I always assumed he rubbed them on his pits. Now that you ask, maybe he carried them around or something.
He is scentmaxxing. You can smell him across state lines.
“In approximately 2-3 weeks…you’ll smell lime nothing”
My guy that is your entire olfactory nerve being burned to a crisp
If it works it works
Scent maxxing, just like a cat does to a couch
It’s scientifically proven in his dreams.
The bitches love it.
I often get hate for this but I stopped using soap or shampoo in my daily shower years ago. I exercise and sauna etc. And theres just no way I could be that nose blind. My friend group take any opportunity to poke fun and my odour is never the butt of the joke
Hygiene is like diet, one side does not fit all.
I know people who smell like an acid bath after a few hours of work. They’ll get home, strip all the oil off their bodies, let their skin dry out and wonder why they smell like shit.
Others can sweat it out, and not smell. When I ask them about their hygiene habits, it’s never a surprise to me to hear they don’t use soaps unless they’re very dirty.
Then there’s Luke, fucking Luke. Smells like a rolled ball sack from the moment he leaves the shower. He even went to see a dermatologist about it and got told that’s just his microbiome. For Luke, I’m glad deodorant exists.
Exactly.
My SO is Asian and they just don’t much BO at all, due to genetics and whatnot. I can sometimes get away with skipping a day showering, but only if I’ve been very lazy all day. Other people need two showers/day to be presentable. It very much varies by person.
I havent used shampoo in a bit over a year and my hair and head skin is better than ever.
Cant live without soap tho.
The general idea, that putting a bunch of really aggressive chemicals on your skin is bad for it, has some sense behind it imo.
Get a low pH(5.5) body soap.
It will allow you to properly wash yourself off but still maintain a healthy environment for the good bacteria.
Normal soaps are like a 9-10 pH. Which wreaks havoc on the good bacteria. And allows the bad an opportunity to colonize your skin
so… soaps are generally base and not acid, 5.5 is a weak acid. (sorry had to edit cause i thought it was stronger)
soap is generally 12ph
what is happening here? are you using acid soap? how different is it from normal soap? how does it taste?
Perhaps Body wash would have been a better term to use.
However in the general parlance of the word “soap” it still lathers and washes just like normal body soap does but they’ve somehow figured a way to keep the pH acidic and skin/good bacteria friendly. A bit more pricey but if you have sensitive skin or you find your body odor creeps in too soon after a shower, give it a try. Your skin will thank you for it.
Sebamed Face and Body Wash for Sensitive Skin pH 5.5 https://a.co/d/4dVBpAO
many oduors subside once you get rid of candida and bacteria. I had smelly sweaty feet, lost 30 kilos, feet dry and no smell anymoe, i am so happy.
My ex never used deodorant and he didn’t smell bad. I think for some people it works and for others it doesn’t.
They probably have that gene that makes their body odor not stink.
Onetime someone was trying to be mean to me but they said “I’d try to insult how you smell, but you literally smell like nothing”
Spraying cologne on the armpits actually increases the intensity of body odor to an extreme. Do not do this
I don’t know why, but this reminded me of one of the absolute worst moments of my life.
I was bullied as a kid, and when middle school hit I wasn’t keen on dressing out for gym in front of those bullies. My gym teacher was probably the biggest dick on planet earth and every three days he’d suspend me for three days for not dressing out. I was suspended for most of 6th grade.
My mom had had enough and threatened me, “I swear to you, if you get suspended one more time over a zero in gym class I will throw your Nintendo 64 in the creek. I mean it!”
Guess what my dumb ass did? I left my gym clothes at home. I was fucking desperate and I went around begging everyone I knew, “can I please borrow your gym clothes?” I finally managed to trade a copy of Donkey Kong Country and 10 dollars for a copy of Extreme G and as a bonus I could borrow dude’s gym clothes.
He handed them to me in a plastic grocery bag and I raced off to gym class. That big, tall, bald bastard of a gym teacher said, “I guess it’s time for your suspension, eh Grassman?” “No sir, I’m dressing out!”(He called me Grassman because I forgot my flag football things and used big giant blades of grass).
I ran back to the boys locker room and slid those clothes from the bag. Oh. My. God!
The smell of axe body spray, ass, and armpits hit me like a ton of bricks. I powered through it, put on the nasty ass shirt, and vomited in my mouth. I just couldn’t bring myself to put the shorts on. I was nearly in tears because I knew I was doomed. I put my clothes back on and I could still smell it on me. I walked out and tried to explain it to the asshole. Nope. Suspended.
I really did think my mom was going to throw my N64 in the creek. She didn’t, thank goodness. Instead she got really pissed and called the school. When I got back I was called to the office and the principal asked me to explain why I had been suspended so many times. He then called Mr. Bald asshole into the office and let him have it for suspending me so many times over not dressing out. “You are denying this young man an education entirely because of gym?” I’d love to have been a fly on the wall after he sent me to class.
I happily took my zeros after that and slept on the bleachers. 1st period was my nap period.
I will never forget that smell though. I can still smell it, seriously. It hit me so hard that 28 years later, I can still smell it. Gah.
Oh man thats rough, I’m sorry you had to go through that. Speaking of smells you can’t forget though, I have my own experience. Sorta, for me it was also a taste.
When I was in highschool a buddy of mine and I broke into an abandoned pool house. It was winter and about 3 am, there was a deep fog thick enough that we couldn’t see eachother 10 feet apart. The pool house was surrounded by a chain link fence that had an opaque blue fabric over it so you couldn’t see inside and the gate was locked with a thick padlock. We came back with bolt cutters and cut our way in instead of jumping the fence because I guess we thought it’d be cooler? Idk. Anyway we got inside through a small slat window only about a foot in height and about 10 ft off the ground. We dicked around, exploded a toilet, broke a mirror, you know how it be. Anyway eventually we found a fire extinguisher and at this point I should make it clear that this was a poolhouse that closed down in my early childhood. It’d been shut for a long ass time. So this fire extinguisher was atleast ten years expired. So obviously we used the fire extinguisher. The powder that came out was yellow and filled the room. It smelt of sulphur, chlorine, and rot. It tasted like burnt rubber. I fled the room as quickly as a possibly could coughing and retching but I could not get that taste out of my mouth nor the smell out of my noise. It made my head hurt just from the sensory overload. It took about a week for me to stop smelling it.
Anyway we also put this lifeguard chair in a tree. The camera doesn’t fully capture the fog though
Man I miss being young. Even with the horrible taste of expired fire extinguisher I’d bet this is a favorite memory. :)
Its certainly treasured, it was also only a week after meeting my SO (who I am still with 5 years later) and I was texting her the whole time. You’d probably still consider me young though :P
Oh yeah, you had that pic just hanging around on your phone. I’m guessing 20s.
Dude, I know you’ve heard it a thousand times, but I was 22 yesterday, no shit.
Phrasing it like that is weird, but you don’t actually need soap. It just makes the oils and grime come off easier, so without it you just need to scrub more diligently.
If you’re cleaning yourself properly your skin is gonna be the same cleanliness afterwards either way. Cheap soap will dry your skin though, so use decent soap.
Cleaning regularly and effectively is the key, not the specifics. Soap just lowers the bar for effectiveness, and maybe adds “and also moisturize”.
There are different kinds of people with diffetent types of skin. Some people get so oily no amount of water and scrubbing can help. The residual oil is then great for cultivating bacteria and yeast, which are ok as natural skin microflora, but if there’s too many of them, they cause medical problems.
the question is: are they sick and thus the skin is out of whack, or are they sick because the skin is out of whack?
The amount of oil your skin produces naturally is usually connected to genes and hormone levels. It’s ok to have more oily or drier skin. It’s diversity, everyone is built differently.
no and yes to that; there are tall people and small people, but that is usually not a medical condition.
everyone is built the same. and certainly nobody is built to have life detrimental skin conditions; yes, severe gene defects exist. But if you are swaetting a lot and you stink like a skunk, there is a very good reason for it. and the reason is:
something is hindering homöostasis to work properly- and that is usually a thing you ingested but don’t need, or a thing you did not ingest, but need. plus toxin exposure.
what do I mean by that?
Biochemistry works the same for everybody. it does not change to do something different, ever. Hormones are biochemistry.
Yes, I agree, of course there can be those kinds of patological skin conditions. Those are extremes though. Most people with oily skin are perfectly alright and are just an example of natural variation in genetics. I don’t want every person with oily skin to think there’s something wrong with them. But they ARE in greater risk of developing a skin condition if they don’t adopt hygiene appropriate for their skin type, so advises not to use soap or shampoo can be very bad for them (and good for the dry type of skin people at the same time).
Certainly. I’m not saying soap is bad by any means. It’s a tool for bathing just like any other. Not using soap to wash your body doesn’t imply unhygienic anymore than not using a scrub brush makes you unhygienic.
What matters is that you wash regularly, get rid of grime, dirt, excess oils and dead skin buildup.
There’s many paths to hygiene. For most people, the one with soap is the easiest and the only downside is “now moisturize”.Persistent advertising from cleaning product companies since the 50s have heavily pushed a level of cleaning and perfuming well beyond what’s actually necessary for hygiene.
My body wash company would like me to use a silver dollar sized portion. I get better results from a dime sized portion and a moderate firmness silicone brush.
so thats why soap is one of the oldest chemical inventions : because you dont actually need it. pure luxury.
Did I say pure luxury, or did I say it makes it easier?
I did forget that something is obviously 100% vital and indispensable or entirely worthless and void of functionality.
Early soaps were used for the preparation of textiles rather than personal hygiene.
As early as we invented soap, we actually had the notion that festering in your own rancid body oils is bad far, far earlier. As such, we had ways of dealing with that well before we had soap and people didn’t just immediately switch.So go ahead and use soap. I certainly do. But if you’re looking to have your mind blown, take a shower and just scrub your skin with a brush, loofah or the palm of your hand and be amazed when you still get clean. If you’re really grimey, you can do what the Romans did and rub yourself with olive oil and scrape it off with a scraper before doing that.
now try doing that with hair. or your hands after vivisecting a corpse, and then delivering a baby. clean up feces and vomit, and then try to get rid of the smell without soap.
every farm worker that works with life stock knows what i am talking about. ever worked on an engine, then tried to clean your hands with water or oliveoil?
I guess the oil has merits, since certain oils DO have detergent properties. like soap.
Early soaps were used for the preparation of textiles rather than personal hygiene.
I guess they used it to clean absolutely everything. because soap loosens up fatty bonds. thats why using disinfectant does not get rid of the dead bacteria; they are still on your hands, albeit dead. soap does not kill most of germs, but thy are unable to cling to the skin.
I was in poor regions of africa multiple times; the poorest of the poor would use soap when they could. people are poor, but not stupid. if what you said would work, they would do it, but they buy soap instead.
wikipedia:
Roman Empire
Pliny the Elder, whose writings chronicle life in the first century AD, describes soap as “an invention of the Gauls”.[22] The word sapo, Latin for soap, likely was borrowed from an early Germanic language and is cognate with Latin sebum, “tallow”. It first appears in Pliny the Elder’s account,[23] Historia Naturalis, which discusses the manufacture of soap from tallow and ashes. There he mentions its use in the treatment of scrofulous sores, as well as among the Gauls as a dye to redden hair which the men in Germania were more likely to use than women.[24][25] The Romans avoided washing with harsh soaps before encountering the milder soaps used by the Gauls around 58 BC.[26] Aretaeus of Cappadocia, writing in the 2nd century AD, observes among “Celts, which are men called Gauls, those alkaline substances that are made into balls […] called soap”.[27] The Romans’ preferred method of cleaning the body was to massage oil into the skin and then scrape away both the oil and any dirt with a strigil.[28] The standard design is a curved blade with a handle, all of which is made of metal.[29]
The 2nd-century AD physician Galen describes soap-making using lye and prescribes washing to carry away impurities from the body and clothes. The use of soap for personal cleanliness became increasingly common in this period. According to Galen, the best soaps were Germanic, and soaps from Gaul were second best. Zosimos of Panopolis, circa 300 AD, describes soap and soapmaking.[30] **
You’re taking “it’s possible to be clean after bathing without soap” as a way stronger statement than it is.
Do you think I’m saying soap is bad?
No one is talking about hygienic hand washing practices for medicine, food prep, after defecation, or after being coated in tough substances.
We’re in a giant pile of people talking about routing bathing to prevent body odor and the skin issues caused by poor bodily hygiene.
Washing with running water and a scrubbing action is sufficient for that purpose for many people. Bathing without soap is not a guarantee that you will have BO, a rash, skin lesions, or acne.The Africa point isn’t really the gotcha you think it is. Soap working better faster doesn’t mean that a lack of soap doesn’t work. As you said, when they didn’t have soap they still washed. People are generally interested in being clean, and pragmatic. They’ll clean themselves, and if something helps them get cleaner faster, they’ll use it.
And yup, that passage does document that the Roman empire eschewed soap for personal hygiene until roughly year zero.
Yeah, romans began to use soap at roughly year zero. I wonder why. I wonder why people use deodorant every day, when they just can spray water under their arms.
You absolutely do need soap. It literally causes bacteria to disintegrate, something you can’t do with water alone.
thats worng, you describe disinfectants, soap breaks the fatty bonds that stick the bacteria to your skin. so, while you whash your hands, these alive bactera are whashed down the drain.
Soap does destroy some bacteria, and a not insignificant portion. By destroying those fatty bonds the cellular membranes of many bacteria are destroyed, and many viruses denatured and rendered inert.
The removal is the primary action though, you are correct. Not all bacteria are destroyed by soap, which is why the leather, scrub, and scrub while rinsing steps are important to hand washing, since that mechanical action is what removes everything.
The primary action that soap has for fighting bacteria is breaking down oils and making it easier for debris and bacteria to be removed. Less food for the bacteria, and faster removal.
Bacteria will be destroyed by this process, but that’s coincidental to why soap works and provides benefit.
It’s why we don’t tell people to wash their hands by squirting soap on them, spreading it around and then rinsing it off. The critical step is the mechanical action that facilitates removal of debris with running water.Yes, soap is necessary for hand washing because we need to maximize bacteria removal after defecation or before preparing foods or medical activities.
In the context of bathing however, you don’t need to sterilize your torso. You will also be rinsing your body far longer than you’re typically going to be washing your hands, which when combined with scrubbing results in a clean torso.
I’m not one of those people who’s opposed to using soap or anything, but that’s not the same as recognizing that it’s possible to wash and be clean without it.
Parlezvouz fransick?
Well yes but eeew …
You can use PH neutral soap. Showering with water only is not a good idea. Using high quality soap and shampoo is! (High quality shampoo won’t foam when hair is dirty, pH neutral soap won’t burn in pee hole)
What’s a good shampoo, also is there an alternative soap testing method?
What the fuck
It’s a metaphor for the diabolical nonsense people constantly post on 4chan. Anon is either deluded (less likely) or attempting to lure others into unhealthy lifestyle decisions for fun. The main character is a robot, a la r9k, and the only ones cheering are other odd misfits. The women are, on the other hand, human shaped, once again reinforcing the gulf in humanity between the members of the board and those outside of it. Much of 4chan is poopie rapie.
With that said, yes, absolutely, I agree
It is 9 in the morning for me, but I already feel like I have seen enough internet for today.
it was 5am here after not being able to sleep since 2am. fml
Wow, I found this at 9 am for me too! I’m also going to reset my day.
