• WoahWoah@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I feel like if police arrive on scene, they’re probably shooting whoever has a gun, “good guy” or “bad guy.” Cops seem pretty jumpy. Perhaps if we could make the good guys and bad guys wear differently colored hats?

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        3 months ago

        Not just empty his clip, but also fatally wounded the person he was transporting at the time. He thought that the guy in the backseat, having already been patted down twice, handcuffed and detained; had a gun.

        This was definitely a reasonable amount of anxiety for a state-sponsored bully to have /s

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          3 months ago

          In the link it specifically states the person wasn’t harmed (somehow). Unless there was a new development in the story this is false. ACAB and all that but we can’t spread misinformation.

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            3 months ago

            Either I’m misremembering or one of the things I’ve seen on it was wrong then. I watched this video earlier this week and I thought I remembered seeing body cam footage of them actually going to check on the guy after the shooting and the dude was dead in the backseat

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              3 months ago

              That would be a cut together clip. Disinformation. I’m sorry you were subjected to it but in the case of the loud acorn the person detained was amazingly not physically harmed.

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        3 months ago

        Think I would rather be shot(chance being shot really) by a cop than let a demonstrated murderer continue picking targets based on whatever bullshit criteria they have in mind.

        I can maybe take a bullet or three(~200lbs of … dubious composition). Children, the elderly or other likely targets? Not so much.

        EDIT: Imagine prefering random people get shot in a mass shooting(and/or by cops) vs the random “I can take it” self-proclaimed dumbass you encountered on the internet. Congrats, seven random morons, you’ve drank the just-as-toxic-but-sopposedly-opposite-of-toxic-masculinity kool-aide.

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            3 months ago

            You might be surprised. Some people get shot 20 times and walk away without any irreparable damage. It’s all effectively random.

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            3 months ago

            Two friends of mine had perpetrators walk up and empty their clips into them. The smaller friend didn’t make it, but the larger one did miraculously survive with 8 bullets in his torso. I’d be morbidly curious to see if there was research supporting that the extra mass made the difference

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              3 months ago

              I mean, there’s statistically more area without a critical organ/blood vessel to be hit. Plus you have more blood, so you can lose more in total.

              I think the difference would be small, especially compared to other variables though.

          • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            3 months ago

            it depends on where you get hit, unless you get hit directly in a main artery, or dont get tended to quick enough, you’ll more than likely be fine given enough time.

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            3 months ago

            Sorry, why /s? Cops aren’t even particularly good(or safe) shots. I would be more worried about them hitting another bystander in their attempts to shoot me.

            I’m not saying I would enjoy being shot, but statistically, about two-thirds of gun-shot victims survive(source: the Brady campaign), and, mass of jello that I am, I am in pretty good health since my time wiring barges up over the last year.

            That said, this is assuming I happen to be armed and choose to put myself in harm’s way, which is another consideration where I would prefer to be harmed vs others. Odds are good it would be because I chose to do something objectively stupid, versus others whose only choices are to run, hide, or confront their attckers un-armed and otherwise un-prepared.

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              “I can maybe take a bullet or three” sounded like such over the top bravado I was hoping it was meant tongue in cheek.

              Don’t get me wrong though I was just commenting on that sentence. I am not meaning to undermine your point about police and their (lack of) aim.

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                3 months ago

                Opposite of Bravado. I see myself as disposable vs most people until shown different, and most people I know who say such things as I have here and mean them seem to feel the same way about themselves. A mistake I don’t live to learn from(or learn of) is less terrifying than a failure to do right by others.

                I’m not saying I definitely won’t just hide, cry, piss and shit myself, but I didn’t do any of that(until hours later) the last few times I had guns pointed at me, and no, I don’t mean by friends or due to personal shenanigans(unless you count signing on certain government forms). It has been over 15 years since the last time though.

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      3 months ago

      This was basically the active shooter training I had to attend when I worked at a big office. Even if you’re a “good guy with a gun” when the officials, armed site security or police, roll in they have no idea and you run a huge risk of being assumed to be the aggressor.

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        3 months ago

        Hell, they have a tendency to shoot each other, too. Cops shooting cops and cops shooting security guards are both things that happen.

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      3 months ago

      Uvalde cops be like:

      He also violated the dress code, so we waited to let him get it right. Shooters have this one obligation goddamit.