let people defederate idgaf
“I must preserve my echo chamber!”
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Are positive, liberal LGBT communities echo chambers
Could be, especially if there aren’t a multitude of sentiments there. That doesn’t mean all sentiments must be present of course.
Are they not allowed a collective space to hang out without having to explain themselves all the time
I don’t think anyone said they aren’t allowed to have such a space.
It depends. Defederation for good reasons is good, defederation for bad or false reasons is generally bad.
As an example, having a strict and democratic defederation/federation policy has contributed to Hexbear having the most active trans community on Lemmy, and it’s a good thing that there’s an actively protected trans space free from bigotry.
At the same time, defederating from instances for political reasons under the guise of other reasons is generally a bad thing.
It’s largely context dependent.
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After that, things get more complicated.
I mean, “bad” in this case is completely subjective. There are large trans communities on other instances (blahaj being the most obvious one) and they have their reasons for defederating from Hexbear.
Ada is okay with others chasing off people from the instance. Hard to say it’s a pro trans one after seeing multiple witch hunts done against a particular comm by one user and Ada just supporting the witch hunt
Hexbear defederated from blahaj, not the other way around. Either way, Hexbear remains the most active trans community on Lemmy.
I understand why anticommunist instances like Lemmy.world defederate from Hexbear, I just don’t think it will help Lemmy.world in the long run, as Lemmy itself by nature is going to attract Communists due to its structure.
I dunno, I feel like anyone drawn to Lemmy for that reason will find lemmy.ml nearly as easily. If world suffers because of bad practices, well, that’s the way it goes. At least the fediverse lives on.
They will, yes, but not always. Apps like Voyager assume .world as the default, causing friction when leftists join and run into silencing of their views.
Lemmy.ml is interesting, it’s a reference to Marxism-Leninism, but it doesn’t require users to be Communists like Lemmygrad, or leftists in general like Hexbear, hence the active population on Hexbear.
0·5 months agoLemmy.ml is interesting, it’s a reference to Marxism-Leninism
Is it really? Others have said it isn’t, that it’s just because .ml domains were free.
Honestly .world should have just blocked the most common shiposting Hexbear comms like chapotraphouse and dunk_tank as these are what most users found annoying. And I believe ther are more leftists on .world than one might think. There’s a great games comm on Hexbear too, and downvote away on the leftist game posts - Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes anyway!
The problem is that Lemmy.world doesn’t want Communists using their communities, not that their users shouldn’t be exposed to Communist posts, because they wanted homogenous liberalism.
There are some leftists on .world, but they usually leave in favor of leftist instances from what I have personally seen.
Absolutely agree about Hexbear’s games comm, easily the best gaming comm on Lemmy.
There are some leftists on .world, but they usually leave in favor of leftist instances from what I have personally seen.
Fair, that’s what I did.
You’re in an echo chamber if you curate your home feed to only show one opinion and then never change it; it doesn’t matter what the opinion is
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How?
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This is where you implied it was an attack. By saying that I was drawing an image of people when literally all I did was an explain what an echo chamber was. I never passed judgement on you, or said anything about the diversity of opinions I partake in. You decided all by yourself to be upset about a simple explanation of what an echo chamber was. If you’re not in one, don’t worry about it lol
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How did you take this as an attack? An echo chamber is the exaggerated idea of hearing only a single opinion, as curated to your own beliefs. It doesn’t matter what the belief is.
Obviously no one is 100% in an echo chamber, but it’s also obvious that everyone is guilty of confirmation bias; and tend to prefer seeing their own opinions online. I never said anything about my own feed or accused you of being in an echo chamber. I just explained what one was because you implied that it’s impossible to be in a liberal echo chamber
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Steve are you alright? You’re so defensive against someone who’s just explaining a concept you literally asked about
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Well that’s definitely your own experience on federated platforms, but I wasn’t speaking to that circumstance. I made a mastodon account and criticized our government’s massive funding of Israel in spite of our lack of critical infrastructure and healthcare and got spammed with “Israel has a right to defend itself, and you 're a trumper if you think otherwise” type comments by people that post one response and then immediately block you. Which is laughable and couldn’t be further from the truth. That is the perpetual echo chamber I was referring to from my personal experience.
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It’s ironically more about certain instances creating echo chambers through constant censorship.
Imagine an instance full of Nazi’s that only ever let’s Nazi posts stick. Is this if any value, or would defederating improve the quality of your experience?
You’re talking about Exploding Heads, which has been defederated by pretty much everybody.
HOW DARE YOU HAVE A MODERATELY DISSENTING VOICE, YOU LITERAL NAZI?!?!
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Oh literal Nazis can get fucked. My point is that you can disagree on topics and that health discourse is good
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I’d like to come to your house and take a shit in your bed.
Hope you get the help you need 🙏
Just bring TP, not Hope.
There’s moderation and there’s making it into an echo chamber. Seems like a difference many don’t understand.
seems like nitpicking to me.
I don’t know if you’re joking or proving my point
I think it depends on what you disagree with. If one is promoting going after our neighbors, hunting them down and killing them? Yeah, defederate. If another is Meta trying to take over the federation. Yeah, I vote defederate. If one thinks Hawaiian pizza is a travesty and the other doesn’t, hold your horses.
womp womp
lemmy world admins cracking down on posts they don’t like with no accountability and arbitrarily changing their ToS after the fact to cover for it, but somehow the entirety of the factionalist weirdos who cling to the idea of a corpo-friendly Reddit clone are laying the blame on… other instances?
Users are celebrating them for a learning moment so yeah then blaming others is on brand
Why would someone who doesn’t like blocking and de-federation like “federated platforms”?
Yeah part of the point of this is that it’s not a free speech zone unless you want a free speech instance. I prefer a more curated against bigots experience. Others don’t. Still others prefer other forms of curation. Federation means we can all talk to each other as long as we stay within boundaries of what others will stay federated with.
Exactly, it also means we can have different regions for different types of conversations, much like in the real world.
I think there’s benefit to blocking the particularly Nazi/pedo instances, but otherwise do wish we’d just all be able to federate together and share content for the most part.
You’ll just need to find an instance that federates with most instances. I think that’s why I chose lemm.ee. A lot of them censored porn too which was lame.
Me too!
I can block instances myself instance admins, thank you very much.
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Might be good to add an
/s, considering how common that is on the anti-communist servers.Except it wasn’t sarcastic
yunno, on second thought, maybe i don’t want to be using a social platform where communism is expressly the default stance
If you love Capitalism and Liberalism I know just the platform for you: Reddit.com
Man that seems to be way more active than this one
The structure of Lemmy itself is built on Communist principles, you’re going to have Communists even if you try to block Communist instances.
we could defederate i guess
I’ve never heard of pawb.social
It’s an instance for furries.
:(
Nothing wrong with furries, or furries creating their own instance.
It isn’t, but don’t let that stop you from leaving.
Lemmy.ml is federated with the vast majority of major instances, what are you trying to say?
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Still doesn’t make sense, Lemmy.ml doesn’t constantly threatan to defederate from other instances over political reasons
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At least you acknowledge it’s dumb
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Yeah but not by a user from ml
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Have yet to personally block any instances. So far I think the closest I’ve come is blocking a spider community because fuck those hell spawns and a Minecraft community or two.
Edit:
Found out there’s more than I remember being blocked. Multiple mc communities, a cock community (, because that stuff ain’t for me and I remember accidentally clicking on one post from there by accident), a pussy community because I don’t come here for porn, a Sintendo community, some bikinibottomtwitter or something similarly named community (you can guess why), and for some reason an xbox community (couldn’t tell you why).
Also, I noticed for some reason I have someone from a different instance that I cannot remember why I blocked. Some guy from lemmt(dot)tf, so I have absolutely no clue since I have no idea what that instance is like, let alone remember anything about that account.
🥺 not the spiders
As an arachnophobe, I personally made it my mission to block that community without looking so I’d never have to see it again. Can’t stand spiders.
Defederation is weak sauce. Just block/tag accounts that aren’t willing to engage in good faith, and your page clears up pretty quickly.
At the end of the day, there aren’t even that many people stirring the pot. They’re just unhealthily active.
That’s why hexbear and blahaj are still federated, right? /s
What are you on about? Hexbear and Blahaj are still federated.
I wasn’t aware they refederated, when did that happen?
Ah, you meant Hexbear and Blahaj with each other, gotcha.
Hexbear defederated Blahaj and they remain defederated.
Why though?
Here’s the original defederation thread on Hexbear.
Generally, Blahaj and Hexbear disagree on what constitutes a chaser and thus Hexbear felt that Blahaj was not defending against chasers as well as they should, Blahaj moderators and admins were hostile towards Hexbear users, moderators, and admins, and general friction between the two instances. Additionally, some Blahaj moderators were ableist, using derogetory terminology such as “braindead” to refer to Hexbear users in removing their comments.
some Blahaj moderators were ableist, using derogetory terminology such as “braindead”
Honest question, why is “braindead” ableist? I don’t think that the term is used to discriminate against, uh, dead people lol
Some people disagree, though IMO it is ultimately ableist.
The term “braindead” originates from braindeath, a mental condition, and can also be taken in similar contexts to the “R-word.”
yep, this is a lemmy.ml post alright
I defederated lemmy.world because I don’t feel like hosting and re transmitting US propaganda.
It is kinda surprising how much obvious propaganda makes it onto Lemmy, for example those memes that aren’t really memes as much as “haha this opinion wrong”
Lemmy itself is largely made up of Communists, Anarchists, and liberals fleeing Reddit.
This is a very political place, even compared to Reddit where there’s a shitload of politics
The cycle of a specific comm on world
we only allow memes here
points out posts that aren’t memes
stop asking us to follow our rules
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I prefer if my instance is federated to everything and I can just block what I don’t care to see. Like lemmygrad seems to be some fascist propaganda and hexbear is the same but for people that are underage so I blocked both. Apparently I was permabanned from both without posting or commenting there so it’s not like I can interact with people there even if I wanted to.
Like lemmygrad seems to be some fascist propaganda and hexbear is the same
Lemmygrad and Hexbear are Communists (as well as anarchists in the case of Hexbear), the polar opposite of fascism.
They aren’t like any other anarchist I know and I’m in a local anarchist group. Like no anarchist should ever be defending authoritarian governments.
You could try talking to them instead of calling them fascists, there’s a good chance you have no idea what they actuslly believe and are filling in gaps with your own imagination.
I tried to understand why they were defending governments like in Russia, North Korea and China but got permabanned for sectarianism.
In the case of Russia, Hexbear largely hates it, they just believe it to be working against NATO. As for the DPRK and PRC, Hexbear defends AES over Capitalist countries, and that includes Anarchists.
It’s impossible to be an Anarchist and side with Western Hegemony.
You don’t need to side with any hegemony but defending countries that would and have killed anarchist movements makes you less of an anarchist than one that does defend any western power.
Ultimately advocating for anarchist ideals is more likely to work outside of authoritarian governments so I cannot understand how hexbear can defend those. But then again people vote against their interests all the time so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.
defending countries that would and have killed anarchist movements makes you less of an anarchist than one that does defend any western power.
Western powers kill Anarchists too, to a greater extent. If you do not understand this, you are not an Anarchist.
Ultimately advocating for anarchist ideals is more likely to work outside of authoritarian governments so I cannot understand how hexbear can defend those. But then again people vote against their interests all the time so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.
Anarchists picking Socialism over Capitalism and Imperialism makes sense
