Hello World,
Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.
Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.
At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.
As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one’s stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.
We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.
Thank you,
The Lemmy.World Team
Free Palestine
Thank fucking god. It’s exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.
Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.
Being a Marxist is mind numbingly stupid as is, but being a Marxist who’s also toxic, pro violence, and against literally any little thing that goes against the holy scriptures of some crappy Germany philosopher just makes you trash.
They’re not actual communists. They’re just “america bad” edgelords
Lemmy.world is run by the feds
Most likely yes. The worldnews community is evidence of this.
And they immediately blocked all the piracy communities. Most of the .world and .ee users sound like AI posts. It’s likely a massive AstroTurf
Didn’t those get unblocked though too recently?
TANK U!
Sorry imma head out
I think this is for the best, there are some seriously disturbed people posting on Lemmygrad. I saw comments cheering on and celebrating the Hamas attack and talking about how they hoped the people who were kidnapped get tortured. Whatever your politics, that is super fucked up and not “legitimate discourse”.
Wonder how they feel about Hamas preventing the evacuation of civilians from Gaza… but I bet that question would be banned as soon as it was posted.
Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.
Aww, they’re just not doing “the right kind” of communism I guess?
Show me communism that doesn’t end in genocide and totalitarian state leadership, I’ll wait.
I think that’s the point: communism had good intentions but always ended up in totalitarianism.
It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda
The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.
The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.
Defederation is the best response imo.
That’s my problem with it. For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist. It makes their philosophies and claims seem really inconsistent and not based on any real ideology. It seems like at most an anti-US, anti-EU ideology, and for some reason they scorn the same US politicians that conservatives here do, while never mentioning any problems with the people in the US who are even more against workers rights and in favor of unbridled capitalism. Also, the tactics of groups of people mocking people and comments reminds me of the shilled-out shit that showed up on reddit several years ago.
You can’t understand why or how communists and socialists would be anti-US and anti-EU? Really? Seems fairly self evident to me that that’d be the case. Why would you expect anything but hostility towards the ultra capitalist systems in the US or EU from communists and socialists? Seems like an odd complaint, anti-capitalist sentiment is part of the core of the ideology as I see it.
My question is why they’d support Russia and China instead, which are as currently as capitalist as the US and EU. And also, as noted, have scorn for the more socialist politicians in the US while not criticizing the ones that support the even more abusive capitalist policies.
Buddy, if you really believe there are active socialist politicians within the US system, I don’t know what to tell you.
Also, it’s kind of wild to call China “as capitalist as the US and EU”. Russia sure, its current system is very predatory capitalist in its makeup, even if they have particularly Russian characteristics to it. I mean, it’s hard to imagine Biden have Musk or Bezos dressed down on live television while stripping them of their assets, the way Putin did with a number of oligarchs early in his rule. But it’s very capitalist all the same. But China as capitalist as the US? That’s just nonsense. State capitalist I could understand, but capitalist like the US is just plain nonsense.
This type of censorship never stops. There’s no doubt in my mind as this trend continues we’re going to see other taboo communities like piracy, not mainstream accepted politics, etc. ones being banned and their servers defederated.
We’ve already seen admins of this server removing comments and banning people for posting stuff they don’t agree with. I don’t see how Lemmy can succeed when we’re not even at like 2.5k users per day on the biggest server and the admins here are already going extreme on the censorship.
I was banned from Lemmy.world for a week after criticizing Israel. The pinned post accuses this server of supporting the Zionist genocide of Palestinians. Should I go ahead and close my account now? Is this a Zionst platform?
Edit: I know that this server loves to mass downvote any post that questions authority, but it would be much more helpful if you would verbally confirm that you support genocide, or at least start abusing me personally to let me know you think I don’t belong.
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My stance is fuck Zionists and fuck Hamas. I checked the modlog and yeah sorry for that but I see Avaddon fixed it already!
I was banned from Lemmy.world for a week after criticizing Israel.
What exactly did you say that got you banned?
Look at my account and decide for yourself. I was given no communication from the admins of this server.
Modlog has some spicy stuff. I’ve made a shit post or two but this is next level:
mod Removed Comment What if I told you that Israel was part of a Nazi experiment to solve the problem of “stateless Jews,” who were thought to undermine the authority and good order promoted by government. Turns out, all you have to do to turn a Jew into a Nazi is to give him a plot of land and tell him that it’s his inheritance from God. ! by @TrismegistusMx reason: Hate speech
Yeah as soon as you go with the term “Zionist” that pretty much gives away your agenda, bud.
Will it make a return once we gain the ability to block individual instances? I’m not fan of communism and I’m personally stoked to not have lemmygrad in my feed. And I think you made the right choice given the current state of Lemmy but I do think that a “free speech” forum requires that we don’t silence hate speech en masse. I’m sure can agree to at least part of that statement. I just like to make the decision of what I wanted filtered out.
I should probably add that I’m not advocating for any illegal content. That has no place here.
No, even when the option comes for users to block whole instances we will still defederate with instances we do not want to moderate the content from. But we also always reserve the right to re-federate with any instance if the concerns are resolved.
And as per https://lemmy.world/legal : We are not a free speech zone. This Code of Conduct lays out the expected standards of conduct and behavior. Users may not say or post anything that violates these rules, and all participants are required to follow this code. If you disagree with this code, you are welcome to keep looking for other Lemmy instances. Here’s a list of all public instances.
Thank you for not being a Freeze Peach site!
Thank goodness.
I’m reminded of a story I read a while back - not sure where - about how if you let a Nazi into your bar, you eventually end up running a Nazi bar. I think the same applies to online forums. You let Nazis overrun a forum, everyone else leaves, and eventually you might as well just be running Stormfront.
These are not Nazis being blocked
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
Wiktionary has a fairly relevant definition for “Nazi Bar”:
(Internet slang) A space in which bigots or extremists have come to dominate due to a lack of moderation or by moderators wishing to remain neutral or avoid conflict.
Lemmygrad isn’t Nazi tho
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material. That would allow both sides to debate how they judge such behavior.
Right now there are celebrating comments but I haven’t seen bad behavior myself, even in heated debates. That let’s me assume that many are thin skinned or unable to refute lemmygrad’s political opinion.
If I understand lemmy correctly then banning lemmygrad will prevent its users from participating in any debate on a lemmy. world community. Does a lemmy instance exist that federated with everybody where important communities should be hosted?
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There is no way to filter modlog by user instance. After a few minutes pressing Next for removed comments and ctrl-f for lemmygrad.ml I didn’t find anything, but it looks like sometimes the instance url isn’t in the text anyway so maybe ctrl-f won’t even work here. It isn’t actually easy to find these examples.
Have you actually read through that modlog? Lemmygrad is a tiny fraction of it.
Watching an overtly leftist site get it’s own panties in a bunch when a different form of extremism takes root lol.
Don’t get me wrong the leftism and communism that is allowed to just run rampant is sickening.
Still funny though watching you guys eat your own.
I love how these posts always end up descending into a tankie bad circle jerk instead of asking for examples of hate speech.
BTW op, any examples of hate speech?
Amazing, Lemmy.world admins are giant cucks who try to censor other people based on their beliefs.
You can ban me all you want but I’ll keep coming back.
