• Madison420@lemmy.world
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    Guaranteed you’ve been to Russia and if you visited Ukraine you probably called it Russia as well.

    You’re not making points you’re laying platitudes and refusing to give solutions you claim to have.

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      Guaranteed you’ve been to Russia and if you visited Ukraine you probably called it Russia as well.

      I haven’t “visited” Ukraine, I’ve lived there.

      refusing to give solutions you claim to have

      WDYM by that? Quote needed :) My solution is to stop kidnapping innocent people on the streets and forbidding them from leaving the country, as simple as that.

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        Uh huh. I’m sure.

        Will that stop the war you absolute bafoon?

        No, what’s your solution to end the war. Stop cowering and give us this brilliant solution that proves that all your bullshit platitudes and pleas to morality arent just you spouting bullshit out your mouth because your thumbs up your ass.

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          Will that stop the war you absolute bafoon?

          Of course, how will it continue if Zelensky’s regime wouldn’t be able to force people to fight it for him?

          No, what’s your solution to end the war.

          The same as with any other war - peace talks.

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            Even the most biased sources don’t claim the fighting force is 100% forced fighters, none. That similarly doesn’t mean Russia will stop taking territory. You’re actively advocating for Russian annexation of Ukraine.

            They have tried that and are still trying that, what makes you think that every attempt had stopped. Moreover Russia agreed not to invade Ukraine in iirc 1991, they bring that peace agreement, they agreed not to invade Ukraine after annexing crimea, they broke that. Do you just blindly trust a government who has time and time again shown itself to not be trustworthy.

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              Even the most biased sources don’t claim the fighting force is 100% forced fighters, none.

              Neither did I. But the percentage grows with each day, otherwise why would they potentially damage their reputation by kidnapping people from the streets, if there were any volunteers left?

              That similarly doesn’t mean Russia will stop taking territory. You’re actively advocating for Russian annexation of Ukraine.

              I’m actively advocating for almost the most basic human rights imaginable - freedom of movement and freedom to live. It’s way more important than that or other country owning some territory.

              They have tried that and are still trying that, what makes you think that every attempt had stopped.

              Zelensky has never (except at the very start of the war) even pretended to do serious peace negotiations. His solution was always “yeah we want peace - when Russia leaves all our territories including those it controlled as far as in 2014 - and then we can think about having peace talk with them”. And he continuously has this attitude, as Russia gained more and more land. It’s not realistic peace talks in any way, it’s being a clown…

              Moreover Russia agreed not to invade Ukraine in iirc 1991, they bring that peace agreement, they agreed not to invade Ukraine after annexing crimea, they broke that. Do you just blindly trust a government who has time and time again shown itself to not be trustworthy.

              This is a fair point, they indeed broke that agreement. Just like any other country has broken agreements in the past. It doesn’t mean we should all just try to kill each other and never negotiate though.