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    Rogan’s entire career was predicated on the normalisation of reactionary right-wing beliefs/prejudices. He was the motte to the bailey of the Thiels and Bannons, easing perfectly normal dudes along the path, one casual joke at the expense of minorities at a time. And for a while it worked, to the point where Spotify bet the company on him. And then, the word “weird” entered the discourse, and people realised that casual cruelty and obsessing about strangers’ genitals weren’t the time-honoured values of a silent majority.

    It would suck to be holding Spotify shares right now.

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      And then, the word “weird” entered the discourse, and people realised that casual cruelty and obsessing about strangers’ genitals weren’t the time-honoured values of a silent majority.

      Eh, we’ll see. I remember a lot of people thinking “#MeToo” was going to put a hard stop to sexual harassment in the workplace. And, for a brief moment, it did look like our social norms and criminal justice system would maybe do the right thing. But then the reactionaries got even more reactionary. Now we’re debating whether rape victims should bleed out on a hospital floor during an ectopic pregnancy while doctors huddle around fearful of losing their licenses if they try to provide treatment.

      Joe Rogan isn’t going away. If anything, his fascist dogwhistling seems to be bringing in more and more rabid dogs to his cult community in Austin, TX. My home state has never felt more fucked than it does today. Old enough to remember when “Keep Austin Weird” was charming. Not so much anymore.

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        I would bet that just like with “woke”, the right is going to take “weird” and use it. It’s what they do. They are the masters of projection, and love name calling. They’re shameless, too, so if you call them something, they just take it and turn it around. I am positive if this “weird” name calling campaign catches on, it will just become another right wing buzzword.

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          They’ll have a harder time appropriating “weird” and making it work as a self-label for their normative, dominance-oriented ideology. They’re quite happy with being seen as fearsome hordes, barbarians at the gates, deplorables even, but they need to be seen to be representing the silent majority, and pushing back against a diversity imposed from above by (((those people))). “weird” punctures that and appropriating it whilst maintaining the rhetoric about purifying American society and purging it of liberal degeneracy would be one hell of a jiu-jitsu move.

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            “Yes I’m weird, and I should be. Jesus didn’t tell us to be of the world, he only told us to be in the world. We don’t conform to that world, and we never will. Don’t hide your light under that bushel, but stand against the darkness that threatens to creep in. Stand against the devil and his minions. Stand against transexuals, leftists, and the woke mob. Stand against the abortionists, the evolutionists, and the false god of science. And when you do, every brother and sister here will stand with you. And all God’s people say-” [crowd] ‘Amen!’.

            A preview of things to come. Please excuse me while I go rinse my brain out.

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        imho you have a lot more to deal with vis-a-vis greg abbot and the GOP menstrual militia. Rogan’s a clown who’s gonna die shitting on the toilet. He has influence, but guys, Texas, for fuck’s fucking sake, look around at the dystopia you’ve built for women, Rogan doesn’t rate on the scale of Abbot and Ken “CAN’T INDICT ME” Paxton. You have much bigger, much worse, more pressing problems.

        Like Ercot lol.

        Rogan’s a fuckwit. You’ve got real problems.

        And musk!

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    I thought it was a bad comedy special but it’s just wild the amount of hate I’ve seen for him and it. Like we already knew he had no idea what he was talking about on Covid, he admits as such (standard “don’t listen to a comedian for that” take that he and Jon Stewart trot out all the time). You could see it as his surrender on the topic. People seem to be taking it more as a “he’s still talking about it.”

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      It’s because he pushes BS information without looking into it. I mean look up his bit where they talk about the presidental acceptance speech not being live. He insisted it wasn’t done live and it’s proven by Bidens watch being wrong. They debunk him in second. That’s the problem with him. Things he says can be debunked easily but instead of doing any basic research he just pushes crazy ideas that he likes.

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    When was the last time you even had a special before this? I thought he stopped doing comedy like in 2010. It’s been a while. And he was a failed comedian. Like that’s why he got into everything else. He wasn’t very good at it.

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      That’s the worse. I loved comedian Rogan during the 2000s-2010s. He used to make jokes about being a idiot, and accepting that. The past few years have been a nightmare. Bill Burr calling him out on his contradictions is gold. Rogan continues to spiral into hack territory.

      UFC really morphed him into being a guy with awful takes, and his fandom caused his ego to grow. His podcast continues to create disingenuous arguments that riles up the fanbase. Like he’d bring up a topic, but then only invite one perspective and fully let them run wild and even agreeing with them, while dismissing the truth. Even when he gets fact checked, he shrugs and goes, “woops”, as if he didn’t just spend a few hours calling for hostility about something he doesn’t understand.

      His “I’m a idiot” shtick doesn’t work anymore when he keeps control of the narrative and is intellectually dishonest.

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    It’s not a weird competition!

    Everyone can be weird in their own way… just some should never be in charge of anything ever…

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      Using “weird” about a comedian actually risks the whole gambit IMO. You start calling everyone weird, maybe it’s just you who is the unusual person calling everyone who disagrees with you weird.

      The whole point of the attack is that the weird people are not acceptable elected officials. Keep it to people who are trying to get elected.

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        Imo it isn’t great anyway. I’m fucking weird, and I’ve been working my whole life to turn “weird” into a good thing rather than something for 90s bullies to use to call you retarded (along with retarded itself). In 6mo “weird” is going to be synonymous with “nazi.” Austin TX is gonna have to change their slogan lol.

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          Austin TX is gonna have to change their slogan lol.

          They strangled the slogan to death with copyright enforcement over a decade ago. Austin hasn’t been the tie-dye hippie blueberry in the tomato soup of Texas for a while. Its absolutely infested with techbro freaks and finance assholes now.

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    Joe Rogan can fuck right off for all the reasons. But first let’s jam some dirty gym socks in his mouth to shut him the fuck up.

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      Roughly quoting Jay Mohr from his recent interview on Bobby Lee’s Tigerbelly podcast:

      "How Joe Rogan became the arbiter of what is funny is beyond me… all the times Joe Rogan has made us laugh… "

      Joe Rogan has gotta be one of the least funny “comedians” in the game at the moment. I wish his relevancy would’ve peaked with Fear Factor.

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      Ah, the good people of Lemmy, with their Google and Spotify accounts fighting their part against the corrupted establishment. Heavily downvoting any righteous action that would make sense. There’s, atm, 26 people supporting Joe Rogan because they haven’t figured out how to look any further than Spotify. Which besides having Rogan on a pedastal are ripping off artists, the independent ones too. Those are the self-proclaimed leftist tech-nerds that are making this site happen!

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      Nah the benefits outweigh the costs, they support an unfunny moron and I get all the music I want forever.

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            Except when you pay to keep bigots platformed. But I’m sure meat eating “animal lovers” share your opinion.

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              This is the sort of thing where the only thing you can possibly be getting from it is a sense of moral superiority, since you aren’t actually making things better even if you were more persuasive (because you’d still be acting apart from any sort of organized boycott), and you are not even being persuasive.

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                  No, actually that’s what you’re doing. Not making points, but getting off on your own god complex via snide, unhelpful remarks. Neat! 👍

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                  Honestly I started off on your side but then I realized that the other people here are making valid points.

                  You’re coming across as a solid dickhead.

                  I agree that since Spotify is sponsoring Joe Rogan that using spotify means in some part you are sponsoring Joe Rogan.

                  You might be 100% right on that, I might be 100% right on that, but if we are dicks to the people we’re talking to about it they’re going to be against us because of our attitude regardless of whether we are right or not.

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      I left Spotify because of Joe Rogan.

      Figured they don’t have money to pay artists well, but they have millions for a guy I don’t care about.

      I’m not a fan of Apple, but they seem to pay artists better and also seem to give 2 fs about Joe Rogan.

      I don’t have Netflix either anymore. Apparently I’m not missing much

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        It appears you have a stronger moral compass then 26 other people whose ear pleasure is more important to them.

        Not a fan of apple either but supposedly they pay better then Spotify. I just buy music from the artists now.

        I pirate what I want from Netflix at this point. Sweet tooth is worth a watch.

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          It also wasn’t a hard choice because they also have the lowest music quality too. The only thing Spotify was maybe best with is android auto

          Used tunemymusic to migrate everything. Took a few minutes

          They also seem to screw over multi room audio systems (with the exception of Sonos) and force people to use their app instead of the native app

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    Holy shit, a double whammy! Weird Vance discussed gay sex with his grandma, and Weird Musk permanently deleted a picture from the internet forever.

    “I’ll never forget the time I convinced myself that I was gay. I was eight or nine, maybe younger, and I stumbled upon a broadcast by some fire-and-brimstone preacher. The man spoke about the evils of homosexuals, how they had infiltrated our society, and how they were all destined for hell absent some serious repenting. At the time, the only thing I knew about gay men was that they preferred men to women. This described me perfectly: I disliked girls, and my best friend in the world was my buddy Bill. Oh no, I’m going to hell.”

    When he brought up the issue with his grandmother — known to Vance as “Mamaw” — she replied bluntly: “Don’t be a fucking idiot, how would you know that you’re gay?”

    When Vance explained his reasoning, she laughed.

    “JD, do you want to suck dicks?” she said, according to the book.

    The young Vance, apparently “flabbergasted,” said: “Of course not!”

    “Then you’re not gay. And even if you did want to suck dicks, that would be okay,” she replied. “God would still love you.”

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        I don’t think either is acceptable frankly but my guess is this is a passive statement “I hope they do x”. Yours is advocating for direct violence “we should shoot/kill x”. Both are shitty and should be avoided imo but one is a call to action.

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        You know who always gets caught with kiddie porn on their computers? People like you who constantly want draconic punishments for those they cannot even differentiate from actual child rapists. So, what are you hiding?

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            What in the hell about my comment is rage bait? lol Over the years we’ve had countless of news articles about priests, pedo hunters and other highly “outspoken” individuals getting caught with child pornography or a history of raping children. It’s always the same pattern.

            Death penalty = barbarism. Murder is only okay if there’s no other option, like a trapped you vs me scenario, or a violent dictator like Hitler who can’t be removed through other means, etc. And I already live in a civilized country so it already is abolished.

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            I don’t think there’s an ethical basis for capital punishment, except under some extreme circumstance (like having intel that a militant force will raid a prison to rescue a high ranking war criminal).

            There are multiple reasons:

            1. Surprisingly, capital punishment is expensive. So expensive in fact, that it’s cheaper to keep them in prison for their entire life, multiple times over.

            2. The capacity for someone to suffer ends when they die. If you believe in punishment (I don’t, but you do you), then it makes sense to prolong their suffering as long as possible.

            3. Capital punishment doesn’t dissuade criminals. Countries with capital punishment have just as many criminals as those without.

            4. Punishment is a shitty metric by all accounts. Harm mitigation is the aim of the game, whether you’re talking about prison or execution, they’re both isolating a person from the broader community. If they prison serves the same purpose, why do we need execution?

            5. It’s unrealistic to employ capital punishment where there isn’t any. Anyone who deserves to be executed would not be released from prison. You’ve got a better chance of convincing people to prolong prison punishments than you do of instating legal murder.

            6. Innocent people are wrongfully convinced every day. Many people have been executed, only to be found innocent some years later.

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        I think the distinction is hoping someone will do something vs saying we should do something. That’s the “advocating” part. Nobody can say that a comment hoping Rogan would jump off a cliff had anything to do with it if it actually happens somehow.