• JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    I mean, she’s not Caucasian, but she’s definitely not dark black either. Not that her race matters to anything besides her doctor.

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      2 months ago

      You know, based on the one drop rule, which was made by white supremacists, she is both Black and Indian. I love this situation because this is like a racist dog whistle. If you’re multiracial you can be both of your parents race, usually it’s the one more convenient for the racists to discriminate against you.

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        2 months ago

        If people are racist to her even though she is light skinned, I would obviously condemn that to the same degree as if they were racist to her and she was dark skinned. Racism is abominable, no matter the skin color of the recipient. Racism doesn’t change the skin color of the recipient, however.

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          2 months ago

          Racism doesn’t change the skin color of the recipient, however.

          Kamala Harris is factually Black, and she is factually South-East Asian. Your perception of her skin tone means nothing.

          Colorism is a pretty old form of racism - typically perpetrated inter-culturally / within the same ethnicity, or more recently by white supremacists to categorize minorities or other white ethnicities - which tries to define someone as definitively outside of a ethnic group they factually belong to.

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      2 months ago

      To say that race doesn’t matter is just wrong. You could let it not affect your opinions or policy stances, but it still affects how others perceive you and how you see yourself internally.

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        2 months ago

        also like. the foods you grew up with. the languages and dialects spoken around you. the authors, stories, and mythologies in your development. the hair products that work for you. (loosely, “culture”)

      • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        No one would think she was black from looking at her. She’s light skinned. And she can belong to whatever culture, ethnicity, etc she likes, but black to me is a statement about skin tone. And while it can be stretched to mean lighter brown coloured individuals in some cases (I would even dispute that), it certainly doesn’t mean light skinned.

        She can talk about issues affecting dark skinned people without feeling obligated to call herself black to do so. In fact, if she does feel obliged to do so, that implies that just because you’re light skinned, you can’t care about dark skinned people and see that racism towards them is wrong. Which is, itself, racism.

        If a light skinned person can call themselves black, black loses meaning and we have to create a new word to mean what black used to mean, such as ‘dark skinned’, which I’m sure you’ll also start to use to mean light skinned people that have some relationship to dark skinned people, if I give you time.

        Skin color shouldn’t matter. She shouldn’t feel like she had to specify of identify with a skin color, white or black, because it shouldn’t affect anything. Separating us into groups based on physical characteristics in non-medical contexts, or when not specifically talking about discrimination because of that physical characteristic, only serves to divide us and pit us against each other. And we need words to describe those physical characteristics that won’t be used to describe culture rather than actual appearance or genetics.

        Using black to mean anyone with any relationship to dark skinned people is misleading, but I’ll put up with it, as language evolves, if you promise to not change the meaning of ‘dark skinned’ too.

        This discussion remind me a little of the gender/sex topic. While I don’t see how you can be trans-race in the same way as transgender, if we keep dark and light skinned meaning actual skin color, in much the same way we use biologically male and female, at least we’ll have ways to describe people that actually describe their appearance/genetics.

    • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Oh dude you missed some glorious clips of him burying himself in racist comments in front of a room full of black people. And they weren’t being quiet and respectful like he’s used to. They were hollering at him and it made him so mad, and he gets even more racist as a response lol. He’s such a baby when he’s asked a direct question too, always says the people asking him questions are mean and nasty for making him elaborate on his racist comments

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      2 months ago

      It’s not even the worst part of that interview.

      At one point he said she would be the play thing of global leaders. “I’m not going to say why but everyone watching knows why”

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        2 months ago

        I take it you know what he meant? I don’t get this one… Because she’s a woman and therefore obviously everyone will be able to sleep with her to get what they want?

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          Trump thinks no one will respect her because she’s a woman. He thinks women are weak willed and easily manipulated. He doesn’t respect women and assumes everyone thinks that way.

          Not surprisingly it’s projection. Trump is a hapless idiot. A lifetime of shady dealings, and his narcissism, make him the most easily manipulated person in history.

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            2 months ago

            Ah. I hadn’t had my coffee yet when I was trying to figure it out but you’re right about this I’m sure. Thanks for spelling it out for me :)

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            I wonder if this is a triple whammy, he thinks no one will respect here because either she’s a women, black, or Indian or maybe some combo of those three.

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            2 months ago

            He should read the history book, or perhaps someone could read a history book to him.

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          2 months ago

          I don’t get this one…

          You have to remember that he’s a literal rapist to understand what he’s trying to say here.

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        Even funnier, he said that she was always Indian and then “became a buh-lack person”.

        Garbage human being, but he would be a hilarious character in a sketch if he were fully fictional.

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            The funniest part is MAGA cultists pointing to her birth certificate, highlighting her father’s name and going “See? SHE’S LYING ABOUT BEING BLACK! No black person could be called Donald!!”

            The birth certificate quite clearly shows her father’s ethnicity as “Jamaican” :))

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              No black person could be called Donald!!

              TIL that Donald Glover and Donald Faison aren’t black. Somebody should tell them.

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              I’m totally not surprised that the party that championed Birtherism is trying the same strategy a second time, given that no amount of evidence is ever enough to convince those people that they were wrong.

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            2 months ago

            Bro don’t degrade your health over this shit. Block all the political crap and make sure to vote! You’ll be much happier not dealing with all the bullshit outta your control 🙂