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Non-Latinx/Latine people DNI
What is your personal preference?
As someone outside of the community, I personally find “Latine” to make more sense. It fits with the vocalization of “Latino” or “Latina”, and the -e suffix is an established neutral term
Personally, I find “Latinx” to feel very artificially added. Its pronunciation as “lah-tin-ex” or “lah-tinks” seems very anglicized imo, and doesn’t feel like it really fits within the Spanish language
But I thought I’d seek the opinion of people within the community
So please, share your thoughts down below 💜
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I use hispanic and can’t say i have much care for the whole latinx/e debate, but if latino or latina just doesn’t float your boat, I think latine at least sounds better and looks better.
Just FYI, “Hispanic” isn’t synonymous with “Latino”. One’s region-specific, and the other is language-specific. “Hispanic” refers to coming from a Spanish-speaking country, whereas “Latino” refers to somebody from Latin America. For instance, Spaniards are considered Hispanic, but not Latino; and Brazilians would be Latino, but not Hispanic.
Did you just explain to a hispanic person how to use the word hispanic?
Assuming that Griseowulfin is Hispanic, then yes, I explained to a Hispanic person how to use an English word. Not really a “gotcha”.
I’m a white guy and I think both are pretty retarded
Literally did not ask for your opinion.
You don’t dictate what I can and can’t comment on sir
Not a sir.
Also: “non-Latinx/Latine DNI”. Specifically asked for you not to interact.
Yeah, the masculine ending is the grammatically correct form for when the gender of someone is unknown or the group has a mix of genders.
So I’m white but my wife is Latina and considering Latinx was tacked onto the language by a bunch of random white kids I’d say it’s pretty well disliked given where we live. Never heard Latine but I’d imagine that also isn’t going over very well.
As someone who used Latinx in a Lemmy post and then was down voted to oblivion, just go Latino or Latina. But good on you for asking people how they’d like to be called.
I had the exact same experience. Didn’t even know it was so disliked at the time
E isn’t a confirmed gender neutral suffix - it’s a male/undescribed suffix. Latinx is the preferred group noun for people who don’t like Latino/Latinos (which are the old technically correct terms for gender unconfirmed or mixed groups).
“Non-Latinx/Latine DNI”
Apparently y’all can’t read.
What is DNI? Do not insinuate? Do not improvise?
It stands for “Do Not Interact”. Usually used on social profiles to say something like “Minors DNI” or “Adults DNI”, for people who are uncomfortable with having minors or adults following them on social media.
Generally, it’s done to protect users on a platform, not to filter out opinions, so OP’s usage is a little weird.
Usually used
I am online since ca. 1996. I never ever heard the phrase “xyz DNI”.
I assumed it would be understood by most people. Apparently I was wrong. Live and learn, I guess
Why on earth is this comment being downvoted? OP is admitting to changing their mind when presented with new information, and they are being ridiculed for it? That behavior is precisely what we want people to do: update their viewpoints when they learn new facts and opinions.
Because their mind seems to have been “changed” to “there are more idiots out there than I thought”.
In another comment from OP…
It’s not my job to educate idiots
I just block them :3
It’s literally as simple as me having thought DNI was a more widely known term.
Also, the person I responded to in that quote was an idiot. Doesn’t mean everyone else here is.
It’s funny because in spanish it means Documento Nacional de Identidad (National ID). Given the context, I immediately thought of that instead of Do Not Interact
I didn’t know what that even meant.
Funy, you want to dictate who can respond? Pretty racist if you ask me.
It’s not my job to educate idiots
I just block them :3
You need to learn some manners
You need to learn some manners.
If someone specifies that a post is directed toward a specific group that you are not a part of, then you should keep scrolling instead of whining in the comments.
No one here agrees with you lol
Don’t care, didn’t ask
You’re the one accusing people of not being able to read over a misunderstanding about an acronym. That’s rude.
my neighbors all refer to themselves as Hispanic
Funnily enough, in French, “latine” is the feminine form of the adjective “latin” lol
Latinx is an Anglicization
But also has radical roots among the Latin American community within the US
idk i have passing complexion and little connection to the community so probably not my business 🤷♀️
Latine
Latinx is a bastardization of the Spanish language . Majority of Latinos hate it.
That whole push in late 2010s was artificial.
Nobody asked for it and the target group thought it was weird since they got their own language that covers gender neutral situations very well.
First time hearing this term brought in years tho
Didn’t realize people are still pushing its usage.
Latinx doesn’t work and it’s embarrassing to force it. Latine at least kind of sounds right, but what are we doing here? If you’re speaking English and don’t want to say Latino or Latina, you can just say Latin American. In Spanish if an individual says they want to be referred to as latine then you should respect that. Otherwise, latinos is fine for a mixed gender group.
The issue, at least as far as I understand it, is that “Latino” as a general term irks people.
It’s like referring to humans as “men’ instead of “people”. It contributes to a sense of patriarchal dominance.
Personally, when I refer to humans as a group, I say “people”, not “man” or “men”.
With a lot of ethnicities, the terms are neutral. Caucasians are Caucasians. Asians are Asians, African Americans are African Americans, etc.
But “Latino” is a gendered term by its very nature. This is why a lot of people have started using “Latinx” or “Latine”.
The issue is that you’ve made an assumption about an entire culture based on your own external experiences, and when confronted with opinions beyond your limited view, you ignore them because they don’t immediately make sense to you.
Sounds familiar.
Does using “mankind” to refer to humans offend you? Genuine question.
I’ve heard (debated) etymology that “man” is gender neutral because in older English, “male” would have been “wereman” and “female” would have been “wifman,” so the “man” morpheme just designated “human” and the prefix designated the gender.
Which does imply that "were"wolves are exclusively male, and a female wolf person really should be called a wifwolf.
Neither, use “Latino”, that’s the gender neutral form.
Or if you don’t want to use it and don’t want to follow Spanish rules then follow English rules and use “Latin”.“Latin” is the answer, yes.
OP you’ve made the mistake of presuming the world at large knows what DNI stands for.
I’m also in the “stop butchering my language” camp, however I see you don’t mean using Latine or Latinx as a replacement for Latino and Latina in general. You are asking whether non-binary people prefer Latinx or Latine in their personal ID documents. Which is one of the few cases I think using the term is justified.
But since I’m not part of your demographic in question I don’t know if my answer is valid. I guess Latine is at least easier to pronounce than Latinx so there ya go.
Yeah, it’s become very evident that “DNI” is not as universal of a terms as I thought it was.
On your second point, I’m not referring specifically to nonbinary folk, but rather to the language referring to the ethnicity as a whole.
With (most) other ethnicities/nationalities, the English terminology is neutral (French, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Greek, African, etc.), but the classical term for “Latino” is male-gendered.
This is why people have started to use the term “Latinx”, and occasionally “Latine”.
Personally, I think “Latinx” is a bastardization of the language, while “Latine” works within the linguistic framework, but I’m asking for opinions from the people within this group to see their preference
Well then I’m not sure I see your point- I think people should have their pronouns/gender acknowledged in their ID. Suggesting a gender neutral for everyone in a language that clearly has been gendered since its inception doesn’t make any sense to me. Let each person have whatever option best reflects their case scenario
Well, you’ve now caught on to the fact that any C/ that shows up in any given feed is open territory, and only mods/admins can decide if a “don’t interact” request has to be honored.
And, you seem to have discovered that the subject isn’t as limited as the question you asked, because the question was flawed to begin with. You didn’t include the actual, current, formal word in your list. You’re assuming that it’s a done deal. It isn’t, and if you knew any Latino people well enough for this to matter, you’d know it isn’t and wouldn’t be asking.
You also seem to have found out that your opinion about it being presented after asking anyone that isn’t latino to butt out is tone deaf as hell. Oh, nobody had mentioned that yet?
Here’s a hard truth. In Spanish, there is a distinction between hombres latino and Latinos (and gods, I hope I got the grammar right on that, if not y’all Spanish speakers that didn’t fail multiple classes please make fun of it while you correct me). For the most part, there is an already present way in formal Spanish to deal with gender neutrality. White folk just don’t like it because they never bother to ask a native speaker how the language works.
Now, obviously, personal preferences are going to form now that these new versions have come up. But I gotta warn you that if you try and pull the latinx/e shit without knowing the person’s take on it ahead of time, you’re going to look like an idiot.
Seriously, pack it in homie. You tried, you even likely tried for the right reasons. But you don’t get it.
damn, that’s crazy.
I ain’t reading all that
From Brazil here. I always thought latinx was for the community inside the US. Latine follows what was decided here as neutral with the -e suffix. Honestly, initially I wouldn’t imagine that x was pronounced and was used only in text.
