Honestly I just wish I could take the steps written in the article but it would most likely be of no use.
I have very few close relationships and am not widely liked or popular by any means, don’t use social media because nobody sees my posts anyway, and the country I live in has a lot of media censorship, therefore the vast majority of the population is very conservative, uneducated and narrow-minded about most political topics.
I’ve been taking a lot of steps lately to reclaim my online privacy, and would hate to see it all thrown out the window by the EU, a union I thought was doing Europe justice before now…
Oh for fucks sake.
When you’re delivering a powerful epigram and suddenly become hyper-aware you’re standing next to Jimmy Smits in a cheap plastic cape.
So tired. These Nazis should be called out for what they are.
Just to be clear authoritarian is not Nazi
This was already long canceled wasn’t it? This is old.
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But what about the cHilDReN?
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If there are no children, no children will be abused.
big brain time
you can just click the link and read the first few sentences, it’s free!
Governments have been trying to impose chat control for over a decade now but so far they haven’t been able to get it through. That doesn’t stop them from trying over and over again though and this time their chances are looking better than usual. Even if they fail once more they’ll do it all over again soon afterwards. This topic will never get old.
Would there be any way to enshrine privacy/no chat control for the EU? Similar to constitutional amendments in the states, where it becomes exceptionally more difficult to revoke?
Sure hope so.
They’ll keep bringing this up again and again and again until it passes, huh.
Next Council deliberations and vote in October-December.
The real goal is to get the population to regret demanding things like gdpr.
Similar to the plastic industry’s covert legislative push to ban plastic straw.
Irritate the public enough to stop them demanding more.
In this case it’s a double whammy of also getting our sweet private data for their AI models.
Got any more info on the plastic straw plot? Because I’d love for that to be true, but I’m just getting craploads of articles saying the opposite.
Of course, the mad men won’t leak those details until they’re on their death bed and need to repent.
Here of a slightly more refined take.
Anti plastic straw campaign is an industry gambit to undermine environmentalist anti plastic movement. It create maximum public inconvenience and backlash against the environmentalist cause for a minimal loss of profits. This moves protects the rest of the industry by reducing support to the anti plastic caused through backlash and the feeling of accomplishment and sacrifice
Chatgpt re interpretation
This perspective suggests that the anti-plastic straw campaign is a strategic move by the plastic industry to protect itself. By targeting plastic straws, which are a minor part of plastic waste but widely used, the campaign creates significant public inconvenience. This inconvenience can lead to a backlash against the broader environmental movement. Consequently, people might feel that the inconvenience of giving up straws is enough of a sacrifice, reducing their motivation to support more substantial anti-plastic initiatives. Meanwhile, the plastic industry sustains minimal financial impact since straws represent a small fraction of their overall product lineup. This theory implies a sophisticated tactic to safeguard the industry’s interests by diverting attention from more impactful areas of plastic production and consumption.
So just a personal theory then?
There was definitely a time when I would have called this seriously tinfoil-hat… but given the stuff that keeps coming out, the industries support for community recycling programs that they knew would never work, etc. I’m giving it a 7/10 for probably and a 10/10 for creativity ;-)
Personally I tend to believe that generally well meaning people thought that paper straw technology would continue to improve, didn’t involve PFAS or microplastics… or that we’d all carry around a personal straw. But I do love the smoke filled room of mad men architecting a masterful conspiracy propped on the plastic shoulders of the humblest of columns.
To quote the IRA, “We only need to get lucky once but you need to get lucky every time”.
That’s the thing. People have to keep voting forever to keep this from coming into effect, but they only need it to pass a vote once for it to be enacted for basically ever.
How I wish a chat privacy law could be passed to make more difficult to continue eroding our rights.
Idk about yall but that feels like a bad system…
We need a strong authoritarian government with a strong leader (lemmygrad probably)
Yes and no As long as there is no wide spread opposition they will Long term we need to make this a very unpopular stance
Bit weird to include non-EU members in the map as if they are decision makers in the eu
All non-Eu members are shaded in grey as far as I can see, except for the Faroe Islands I suppose.
That’s a good move to re-share it! THX for the people 👍
Make no mistake, Germany isn’t opposing this out of a principled stance. The German government too wants more ways to control people’s activity.
The IMK is not the national government
Meanwhile, Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser (SPD) is fighting for the storage of IP addresses and port numbers without cause
Tbf, one minister’s opinion is not necessarily the opinion of the government as a whole.
Unless it’s Lindner apparently.
The Netherlands only remains “neutral” because of the clause that forces companies to detect unknown CSAM and/or “grooming” material (last time I checked). It’s only a matter of one or two countries that can make the difference, with most neutral countries probably having similarly “minor” objections.
At first glance I thought it was only Belarus who opposed it.
Let me guess: You are an American with no clue about Geography / foreign politics?
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Belarus isn’t in the EU. Its position doesn’t matter, independent from which side they are on.
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Belarus is part of the big grey blob in the east of the map (alongside Ukraine and Russia). So the map doesn’t state anything about Belarus’ opinion on the topic.
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In case you thought the dark green blob in central Europe is Belarus: those are Germany and Poland.
No, I’m Belarusian.
- In case you haven’t noticed, I said “At first glance”
- Due to the map being zoomed in a little closer than usual, and because of the omissions of countries borders, it shifts visual appearance of countries towards right. A honest mistake if you ask me, and which I found to be funny, hence the comment.
- Why so serious?
- What being an American has to do with this? Anyway, I’ll take that as a compliment for my English.
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Can someone explain to an American what chat control is?
If I understand correctly, its what the NSA “allegedly” doesn’t do to U.S. citizens already. Except, these countries are being public about it. This way they can actually follow through without the “secret getting out”.
Basically scanning communications and breaking encryption, under the guise of predictably stopping child abuse
and technically, how would they achieve this?
[Already implemented by google, facebook, and microsoft]
Working like shit then? Has it made a difference?
Force all the big platforms to share their encrypted data. Banning end-to-end encryption. It’s all very stupid and will never actually catch any bad guys.
I have been running my own matrix server andere cliënt for a while. So if I keep running it and just don’t update it, that would suddenly be illegal? Geus it is time to see how my for relay is doing.
If it actually did catch that many bad guy… would fuck regional court, complete overload. we have struggle deal with number of ukraine immigrant, now imagine deal with all the fake report because ai just bad?
The fuck is with these stupid bots that try to turn every conversation into “muh immigration”
I use immigration as example that our beurocracy in germany unable to handle any large load of work efficiently.
lol sure loser whatever
Germany’s workforce relies on immigration, your point has no sense
A fascist first world is easier for Russia and China than a free one
Originally governments wanted backdoors into encryption protocols, but now they seem to want client side scanning (i.e. scanning messages on your phone before it’s encrypted and sent out)
If only in the same breath we would make all the politicians text messages public, guess they only want other chats to be controlled but not their own.
I keep mentioning this idea, hoping to someday make it seem less extreme: the government should be under total surveillance 24/7.
Like, anyone at any time can look through any of the tens of thousands of cameras saturating every government building.
Honestly this is an intersting idea. Albeit, it may be hatd to implement since some buildings have to be private for national security reasons (specifically regarding military strategy and such).
Military’s camera feeds go into memory crystals that automatically unshuffle after like 50 years. That way history is guaranteed to get a full accounting of the conflict, but there’s no possibility of strategic information giveaway.
Open source government, eh? Don’t know if this would work completely but I like the direction.
Army and police get to have non-camera operations of course. They’re still recorded, just not broadcast for whatever delay makes the tactical information obsolete.
Even if I deeply like the Idea, something like this could backfire if it’s done constantly and not just once. But I would like to see a law that makes the usage of government communications mandatory for all government-related communication while storing everything revision-proof on their servers with different access rights. And a second law that makes it possible to access it by requiring petitions to be singled by a low number of people. Less extreme but still makes it harder to be corrupt.
Julian Assange tried to do that and he was nearly lynched for it.
And then blamed for ruining the 2016 American election.
Snowden showed the government was spying, had to flee, deemed a terrorist. Assange showed the government disobeys the laws it enforces on everyone else, deemed a terrorist. Manning showed that war crimes are constant, deemed a terrorist, subjected to inhumane torture.
Every time a whistleblower exposes corruption and violations of laws in every country, they are punished. China, Russia, America, England, they’re all guilty of it.
Every time a whistleblower exposes corruption and violations of laws in every country, they are punished.
Typically by being accused of acting as foreign agents. Assange was a Radical Islamist under Bush, a nefarious Russia/China double agent under Obama, and an insidious Hispanic cartel boss under Trump.
I don’t know why but I’ve got this strange tingling feeling it might just be a human nature group thing.
I understand that this has been a recent topic in the EU but I’d really like to see information on government positions on this in more areas of the world.
Here’s some more information about the world: https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/internet-censorship-map/
Relying on legislation to get passed or not get passed only gets us so far. Yes, absolutely, write your reps and vote, but also donate to your favorite decentralized, private tech project so they can improve the user experience and get more users. We need to make tyrannical censorship & surveillance not only technically impossible but politically unfeasible. The way we do that is by building better tech and getting more and more of the population to use it.
Fuck GDPR!
GDPR only legalized data collection!
Don’t take my word for it, just look for how many “vendors” you are forced to agree with when accessing almost all websites. Add to this G**gle analytica and FB pixel and there you have it!
Full, “legal”, consented huge data collection and aggregation tracking the shit out of everyone for what?
Yes, now go figure how do you want your future and your kids future to look like!
Cheers!
As someone that is red/green colorblind… wut?
Did my best, but my European geography identity the best and may have missed a couple:
Germany & Poland oppose. Netherlands, Austria, Estonia, Slovenia and Czechia neutral. Portugal, Spain, France, Ireland, Italy, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia and Greece support.
