Where the fuck is Batman anyway?
They knew in 2020 that Joe was slipping but instead of trying to solve the problem then they did nothing but cover up the obvious issues. To go with the metaphor, Alfred was a good man doing the right thing. The modern Democrat party has no Alfred. Instead they now seems to care more about their party’s own power over the actual good of the country. Very few people wanted Joe in 2020 but we were told we vote him in to save democracy and then run someone better in 2024. Now here we are going through the same loop. No, if the Democratic party refuses to run a candidate that the people want then we’ve already lost our democracy. Our two party only system is already a joke and it allows those in power to do whatever they want with the looming threat that the other team will destroy America. I’m sorry to say but the Joker is already in charge.
I disagree: The Democratic Party does not care about its power. In fact many of the still current leaders of the party actively believe in a strong Republican Party.
I am specifically quoting Biden with that.
“We need a Republican Party. We need an opposition that’s principled and strong.”
Yup, people so quickly forget that Biden and his campaign heavily implied that he planned on being a one term president. Somehow that whole thing came and went.
How people allow themselves to be gaslit like that over and over and just wipe it out of their memory is beyond me.
How people allow themselves to be gaslit like that over and over
Other guy is worse. Yes, it’s the same guy who has been running for president since 2016, but he’s worse so you have to vote for our guy no matter how awful he gets.
Trump’s going to run again in 2028 and you’re going to be expected to vote for the Democrat for this reason alone, again.
Except the Dems convention hasn’t happened yet and there’s still plenty of time to hire Batman a great butler who’s still capable…
Joker only has a chance if we run Alfred and he loses. We don’t have to run Alfred.
So if you want to do everything you can to stop Joker, Alfred needs to step aside and endorse his replacement
Who is that going to be though? There’s no one. Traditionally it might be the current VP, but everyone hates Kamala because she’s shit. There is no one else, it’s Biden or my dumb ass cat, at least my cat will get the ‘cute and doesn’t shit in the plants’ vote. Unbelievably my cat would still lose to a rapist and felon.
Who is that going to be though? There’s no one
Thereby currently no one because the DNC has forbidden all the ones. There’s at least a dozen Democrats who could jump in tomorrow and have better chances than Biden by the week after next.
everyone hates Kamala because she’s shit.
Not as much as they hate Biden now. Whether on purpose or not, they’ve been wise to mostly keep her in the shadows so everyone could forget how awful and fake she is and also to lessen the Biden stink on her.
it’s Biden or my dumb ass cat
I’d vote for your cat over Biden or the Mango Mussolini in a heartbeat. Not even joking.
My dumb cat would work. As long as they don’t have a sex scandal and has some decent legislative record, they’d be fine.
“Reporting is now showing that Hello_theres’s cat is on camera taking multiple kickbacks from fishing industry insiders back in 1996”
Who is that going to be though?
I used to type a lot for these, but they constantly come up.
So at this point: AOC
That would be great, but she’s too divisive to win.
That’s what they said about Obama too…
But the first Black president got elected by flipping lots of red states even when his own party turned against him.
As already pointed out she’s not eligible, or maybe is, idk. She would be 35 by inauguration.
My ticket would be her, Bernie, and Ron Wyden somewhere in the mix so the u.s. could get some decent privacy laws.
or maybe is, idk
She literally is…
Like, it’s not an opinion thing, she’s literally old enough to be our next president…
Am I missing something?
| Born | October 13, 1989 (age 34)
be at least 35 years old
People have been bringing her up for years, but she is still not eligible. The president must be 35.
She was born in October.
You have to be 35 to assume office in January, not run for election.
She’s not 35 is she?
She was involved in the slave trade known as the “justice system” and proud of it. She’s one of them.
I don’t think it really matters why. People don’t like her.
Also, every Democrat, including Biden, seems to do the same against Trump based on polling. (I know polling is hard to trust, but we have no other way of measuring things at present.)
Why do people keep linking data for progress after last election?
Their founder openly said the point of his company was to come up with polls that make donors happy.
Then he got caught trying to use his polls to influence elections so his bets would win, and was trying to get employees involved in an illegal straw do or scheme.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_for_Progress
Seriously, because no one will answer after posting that poll:
Why would anyone use them for a source still?
Is it just one of the few things that make Biden seem like a good choice?
Seriously, because no one will answer after posting that poll:
Here’s me not answering:
Why would anyone use them for a source still?
Because I had never read that Wikipedia link.
Is it just one of the few things that make Biden seem like a good choice?
Nope. Biden is a bad choice, but he is likely to be the only choice regardless and if he is, he should be voted for because the other option is a dictatorship and a genocide of queer people.
See?
We opened a dialog and you realized the source your using is wildly unreliable and we shouldn’t care what they say.
We got there thru civility and logic.
Everyone wins.
but he is likely to be the only choice
He doesn’t have to be. Biden is the only choice the people he appointed to lead the DNC will let us have.
The party is a private organization and can do anything they want including disregarding an entire primary. The DNC literally argued this in court less than a decade ago, and the judge agreed.
You can say that the DNC won’t replace Biden because they’d rather risk trump than lose control of the party.
But you can’t just lie and say there’s nothing that can be done.
I was really amused how you banned me from A Boring Dystopia for “incivility” after I asked you yes or no questions and you called me a bully. It’s too bad it’s a permanent ban or I’d ask you to undo it and do it again tomorrow. I could use all the laughs I can get right now.
You very silly person.
Everyone I know who despises Kamala Harris is politically to the left of her
“Fweedom”
She is shit because she was given the platform of VP with the sole job of developing name recognition as the next candidate, yet many of us have a worse opinion of her than we started with
I know VPs should generally be silently partners but this is the one time we needed one who succeeded at any initiative
This is Alfred slander. He’s the only person on Earth who can slap sense into Batman
Absolutely! I’d take Alfred, if he were the option. At least he could string together a sentence that makes sense. So essentially, our choice is between the Joker and the Riddler.
Can the Democrats please stop tolerating everything? We haven’t even officially declared a candidate. Let’s take a good look at our options and stop forcing the country into another awful Sophie’s choice.
The options are the Joker and… uh, Thomas Wayne. Like, current day Thomas Wayne.
He’s the only aged gentleman who will headbutt supes in the nose.
There is at least one timeline where Alfred has rocked Superman’s shit just for daring to show his face after a fight he had where he injured batman.
Why cannot Robin take care of the Batcave? Why Alfred want the Batcave so bad when is clear that he need to retire and let a younger generation have their time?
Terrible analogy.
This is the goddamn DNC’s fault. They are allergic to supporting anyone that’s not an old school establishment Democrat.
Give us a suitable candidate. Biden is too old and everyone knows it.
Give us someone that is actually progressive and that actually wants to help the American people. We have a few very obvious issues that neither of our geriatric overlords are addressing.
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ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. This is the most important one. Just do something. Anything. Nothing is being done and it’s getting hotter every year.
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Lower the cost of living. Rent is out of control. Food costs are out of control. It’s hard to live right now. Protect US citizens from corporate greed.
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Fix the real estate market. Most of us will never be able to own a house because several corporations have been allowed to run amok. Make it so the average person can buy a house.
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Healthcare for all. It’s not complicated.
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Stop the genocide.
Put someone forward with this obvious and simple platform, and I promise they win.
We are not married to Biden. Get us someone younger. Why is this so hard?
You did have someone younger. DURING THE PRIMARIES WHEN THIS DECISION WAS MADE. PAY ATTENTION.
Or perhaps you didn’t like the younger man’s decisions.
So then maybe age alone doesn’t hold all the answers to everyone’s problems as you’d have us all believe.
Who did you have on your primary ballot? Mine was Biden and No Preference
Your mom
I would vote for scops mom over biden
Fucking thank you. I agree with every single one of these things
Wanna run for president? I’ll vote
Because for someone to get elected, they need more than just YOUR vote, David.
There are millions of voters that might agree with points 1,2,3 and 4, but don’t think it’s a genocide. They won’t vote for your guy.
Millions more agree with 1,2,3 and 5. But your guys ideas on Healthcare is a non-starter. More lost votes.
See where I’m going here? Your guy didn’t even say a WORD about abortion rights, immigration, gun laws, unemployment, inflation, global war and terrorism, technology threats, the economy, tariffs, and so much more.
It’s not the DNCs fault. Do you know how the Republicans made abortion illegal again? They attacked it year after year, and nobody on the left defended it. We just sit in message boards passively crying “Give us a suitable candidate!!”
It’s a joke. Not an analogy lol
ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE.
that’s our job. government is not going to solve this. wanna make change for the better? start training for guerilla warfare.
What are we as individuals supposed to do? I can only cut down on my polluting so much. My ability to do so is severely limited by the options available to me which are decided by corporations.
Especially cause it’s a myth that regular people have all the power when it comes to climate change. Most of the issues come directly from factories that could be doing better to minimize toxic waste and pollution but instead they spend billions lobbying to make it okay.
Yea, I can cut down on my driving, try not to be wasteful, and look for less plastic packaging and all that but that all depends on what options are available to me. If I need something and all the options are in the worst packaging possible or they sell electronic garbage that breaks after a year because the company doesn’t care then it’s out of my hands.
Yea, at the end of the day my only solace is that I’m not having kids and neither are my siblings so I don’t have to worry about the planet being fucked for them. Don’t get me wrong i’ll still do everything I can for our youth and I’m a punk at heart but I won’t lose too much sleep over it.
Yea, I’m not interested in having kids either. Which now that I think of it is a pretty good benefit for the environment too as I’m cancelling out all my potential descendants emissions.
start training for guerilla warfare
They weren’t talking about blindly following the system. You won’t fix the problem from inside the problem.
Guerilla warfare against who? The people causing climate change don’t live in jungles.
- During Biden’s first term, we’ve made several of the biggest steps toward addressing climate change, ever
- Biden has made huge steps, despite congressional opposition, in making education and healthcare more affordable
- The real estate and rental prices are local, and some of us live where our local politicians are at least trying
Yeah, Biden has done a lot of really good shit. The president only has so much power.
Primaires are over. That was the time to select the DNC candidate.
Run, I’ll vote for you, hell id run on that platform exactly if I had a few million for campaigning.
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I call this one “American Politics”.
You have to put politics into children’s cartoon terms to get it across to Jimmy Kimmel watchers
Yes, political humor is ever-so-childish and no one should tolerate it. Especially not in a political memes community.
I don’t understand your comment, can you use a marvel cinematic universe reference or two please
You’re right. Comic book references are never funny because comic books are for nerds and homos! Only make references to things like football and Lee Greenwood songs. Stuff normal people care about.
The reduction of complex political issues into leisurely sports and comic references is not good for the general person’s consciousness of what is happening in the government.
People need to have the governmental literacy to understand the actual literal literal happenings going on with the leaders they are electing.
This is a political memes community. What exactly do you expect to be posted here, manifestos?
It’s literally c/politicalmemes
You know what a meme is, right?
Post whatever, flood this community with Facebook mom trash, I’m just passing by from /r/all
It’s very easy to block a community. It’s silly to complain about a meme when you want a nuanced political discussion in a community made for memes.
I really don’t know why this isn’t just obvious.
Just because the team captain of the 49ers isn’t able to slam dunk as many field goals as he used to doesn’t mean you should replace him with a rookie enforcer when you’re about to go to plate against the New York Patriots.
How’s that?
As a non-normal person, it’s not my place to judge. Maybe @Mojave can weigh in.
Yeah, this analogy just stinks, as a comic book fan…
Yea, clearly trump is more like lex Luther…
Sorta, Lex was a successful business owner.
The failed lex Luther
In one universe, Alfred was the Joker.
Which comic is that? It sounds familiar.
Thanks! I remember reading that ages ago!
No, but you DO replace him.
You had your chance at the primaries.
In fact there was a younger man,
Oh but no one liked his ideas.
So maybe age isn’t the real issue then.
Age isn’t the issue. Bidens age related decline is the issue. If Biden we’re still sharp and responsive it would be a different story but he’s neither.
The primarys are a Joke anyway. People like Gavin Newsom know better than to run or they’d risk the ire of those running the party.
Until we abolish the two party system our country is screwed anyway. Neither of the two parties would ever do that so it’s hopeless. Standing up for Joe at this point is just digging our countries own grave.
Joe is by far the least likely candidate to beat Trump despite the intense propaganda campaign being run right now. If Joe won’t be replaced then we’d better get used to seeing Trump in the news all day every day because that’s were we’re heading.
So you admit age argument has flaws but you’re still heavily leaning on the age thing as your only main theme. Your argument doesn’t compel me you actually are coherent enough to be making pot shots at anyone else’s coherency.
What are even talking about? I made my point clear that it’s not age alone that’s the issue but when there is age related cognitive decline then it becomes an issue. Do you really not see the difference? I had no problem with Bernie Sanders age because he was a sharp and effective leader who was able to effortlessly convey his thoughts and opinions. Biden is clearly confused and lost half the time. If you’re telling me that you honestly can’t see that then maybe it’s you who isnt coherent enough to matter.
Lots of people in any age group can be incoherent. Such as yourself.
Yup. But you deal with one problem at a time. Right now we have a real Joker problem with immediate and dire consequences.
Following your analogy to its logical conclusion, we’re about to send Alfred out to take care of this Joker problem. It seems like we should find a Batman instead, or at least a Robin, before Alfred gets his ass handed to him.
One problem at a time means dealing with what’s in front of us with the tools we have at hand. Perfect is the enemy of good/better
Also Alfred is a fucking Chad
No, the problem in front of us is that the only person standing between us American fascism just went on TV and made himself look old and senile. Ignoring that problem and plowing through with compromised candidate isn’t dealing with one problem at a time, it’s ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away.
You think that the actual fascist isn’t the bigger problem…odd.
Bro have you seen Alfred fight?
The problem would not be Alfred losing, it would be stopping him from plugging the Joker like an out of charge phone because he has made very clear that he does not share Batman’s distaste for firearms.
This whole discussion is itself a metaphor, the people who are the most worried are the ones who understand the least about who they’re talking about.
Yeah, Alfred was also originally a fat amateur sleuth who wanted to figure out Batman’s secret identity, and was then retconned into Bruce/Batman’s confidant. He wasn’t even a father figure to Bruce until the '80s, and the, “Alfred is a secret badass,” thing is something they’ve been picking up and dropping since the 90s. This comment is actually a great metaphor for all of the political discussions on Lemmy; a guy who thinks he’s an expert even though his base of knowledge goes back less than 10 years.
“well akshualay that doesn’t count because 80s or something”
Isn’t that the exact same thing people say about why nothing Biden does that’s even remotely progressive deserves credit?
LOL, first comment: “Well, akshualay, if you read the comics, you’d know that the Joker would get wrecked by Alfred.”
Second comment: “This nerd is correcting me!”
Life comes at you fast, huh?
So, this happened in the comics and show, alfred got older and passed away, bruce wayne retired as batman, he managed the batcave, and a younger protege took up the batman mantle.
I dont know what this malarkey is about thinking someone cant be too old for a job.
It’s not about whether or not someone can be too old for a job. It’s about thinking that someone is too old for a job therefore justifies putting absolutely anyone, let alone a literal criminal in his place.
But no one here’s promoting Trump. I know youre seeing it as intrinsically Biden vs Trump, so detracting from Biden is the same as bolstering Trump. The goal is to beat Trump. The means to do that is everyone rallies behind one candidate. The problem is right now, Bidens not beating Trump, his age and health combined with the tragedy in Gaza is preventing too many people from rallying behind him. He has the most people rallying behind him of all current opponents to Trump, but not enough.
The timeline where we beat Trump is Biden withdraws from the race and endorses another candidate. Remove Biden as an option and everyone rallying behind him purely because he has the largest support against Trump is forced to shift to another candidate, and we can push for the people that werent rallying behind Biden due to age and Gaza to also rally behind the new candidate, and hopefully then have enough people rallying behind one candidate to beat Trump.
The meme is about Biden vs Trump. It’s not about people who just think Biden is too old and want to replace him. You’re arguing for a position that isn’t being attacked by the post.
It’s not about people who just think Biden is too old and want to replace him.
you dont replace him
Yes it specifically is
That’s what the primary was for.
we didnt really have one. several states, like mine, straight up did not have a single candidate other than Biden on the primary ballots, none of the candidates besides Biden were on a majority of states ballots
And I agree that that’s fucked - I didn’t want him either. But, that’s still where we are. It’s like when Gov. Newsom announced the deadline for public comments on PG&E, the day of. Not ok but the government and political systems are moving forward and it’s hop on the train or leave democracy behind.
It’s not fair. Neither is the world. It’s our job to try to make it more fair and just. That means acting strategically and supporting these that will cause less harm to vulnerable populations and provide opportunities for positive changes, rather than use government power to actively and intentionally make lives worse. Not the time for tantrums and letting perfect be the enemy of good (or at the least, not sinking into theofascism).
You don’t replace him with the Joker. You know, additional words have meaning. Now if your argument is that the Democrats need to find their own Joker, I guess then you’re being targeted by this meme.
This is the best argument I’ve seen so far, which is sad. They should run on this message. Also sad.
What if Alfred is guilty of genocide?
The US has sent at least 14,000 of its massive, highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs to Israel since October 7, report says. The fact that this doesn’t seem to matter at all is damning, you don’t even see the Palestinians as people.
What is the joker guilty of in this allegory? nothing?
Every alternative supports genocide. Either in Gaza or Ukraine (edit: or both)
I can name three who aren’t: Cornel West, Jill Stein and Claudia De la Cruz.
Cool, come back when any of them have a single chance in hell of winning
They would if people didn’t vote against their own interests
I admire the optimism but the entire system needs to be reworked from the ground up and you know it
You think West and Stein care to stop Putin? Think again. Edit: their pro Putin stances may be worse than Trumps.
Note: this graph is from November 2023 (4,100 children killed), we are in July 2024 and it is much worse now in Gaza (over 15,000 children killed and hospitals are out of service and can’t keep count), but you clearly don’t see Palestinians as humans. To suggest that Putin is worse after more than 8 months of a genocide in Gaza is insulting.
You think West and Stein care to stop Putin?
both have spoken out against his illegal invasion, so yes.
Biden has spoken out about atrocities in Gaza… words mean nothing. Both West and Stein want to side with Putin and give him everything he’s stolen.
Both West and Stein want to side with Putin and give him everything he’s stolen
neither of them have said that.
If you support Stein make sure you don’t look into her statements about Russia. It’ll make it easier to continue supporting her.
“Russia’s invasion was a provoked response to the bigger, more murderous and illegal game plan of US empire - in which ‘overextending’ and defeating Russia is only one small part of the picture… In 2014 the US backed a coup in Ukraine led by far-right insurrectionists. The installation of the new government was a giant step towards the goal of adding Ukraine to NATO - and putting hostile bases and nuclear-capable missiles right on Russia’s border.” – Jill Stein February 24, 2022
Should the U.S. provide military assistance to defend Ukraine from Russia? PUBLIC STATEMENTS “No, we should stay out of conflicts that do not directly threaten us”
If you’re already making these comparisons, Biden has already lost. Get your guns, beans, and gasoline. Good luck.
Oh so no one was calling Biden senile and incompetent before…nope…just now… 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Well good luck to you, have fun, try not to nuke the rest of the world, and let’s hope the fascists don’t win.
I’m not American but what other option do they have? The democratic party is in a bad shape and “just make another party” isn’t viable.
That’s the problem. That’s been the problem. Personally I do like Biden and what he’s done but he’s clearly too old. Even back in November when they started more actively campaigning, it already seemed too late to find someone else. Now it’s 7 months later
The only other candidate that has successfully raised his stature is Newsom, but if the internet is representative, the entire middle of the country is reflexively anti-California (plus he was campaigning for 2028)
Republicans and Democrats have guaranteed a third party can’t be viable.
Biden wasn’t yet going on live TV and having the only comprehensible thing he said during the whole event be that he beat medicare.
