Real question. I would like to know what drives you to hate Apple? (In terms of privacy of course because in terms of price it’s another story).

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    They’ve redefined privacy to be privacy from everyone except themselves, and then indoctrinated people that they are the most privacy conscious company.

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      iPhone user here, that is…

      …quite accurate actually.

      I have used Android and even tried to switch to Android a few years ago, but whenever I use Android, I can’t shake the feeling that uncle Google watches whatever I do, I don’t get the same feeling when I use iOS.

      Weather either feeling is accurate I can’t say, but I hesitate to trust an ad compny’s OS over a computer company’s OS.

      Again, that is just a feeling, I make no claim wither way which is factually better.

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          Android users also have those, and they also do let their feelings dictate the choice of field communications device

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        iPhones tend to send close to the same types of info back home. When started, idle, inserting a SIM, on the settings screen, even when not logged in. Like, its very similar even when you look at comprehensive lists which a lot of people either don’t know or ignore. I’m not saying that there aren’t specific benefits or reasons to feel more comfortable with Apple. But saying its because they intrinsically are more private, I feel like that’s a bridge too far

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    Same reason I don’t like sony. They’re too busy telling the people who buy the fucking products what they’re allowed to do with them, and spend the rest of the time creating proprietary shit that traps their customers.

    Hardware is great. Everything else is pretty much an abusive spouse.

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    Overpriced, locked down hardware, walled garden software, and a snobbish userbase. I simplify it all down to "I’m not paying 500 more dollars for a logo."

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    • price
    • closed ecosystem that funnels you into buying more overpriced hardware
    • general feeling of superiority apple customers often seem to aquire

    (e.g. my former project lead refused to touch other peoples devices because controlling them “doesn’t feel like apple”)

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      Overpriced hardware comes with a boon: It lasts longer. I am by no means an apple fanboy, but when I discovered the 12 year old Mac of my dad still performed like mid-range PCs with Windows, I was quite surprised.

      Still not buying their hardware though…

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        Except a 12 year old Mac isn’t supported by Apple anymore and will likely be riddled with vulnerabilities. You could just load Linux on it since it’s probably an Intel based chipset.

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          It depends on the chipset. The big changes in chipset have been the big barriers for Mac upgradability. My father ran a 10 year old MacBook that was still running the latest MacOS until he found that his 4GB of RAM wasn’t going to be enough and bought a new one (without talking to me first). I had a PPC MacBook that ran on the latest MacOS for about 6 years after Apple switched to Intel.

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            Also the hardware support is not great, for example the webcam. I installed Linux on my old MBP but it was a hassle to get the webcam working involving some dubious command line entries with sudo

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          As long as the OS was supported, updates were available.

          But yes, I loaded a nice Fedora on it… 😉

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          Rossman has a vendetta against Apple ever since he got caught importing counterfeit batteries (You can’t slap the Apple logo on batteries that Apple did not make, even if you call them “refurbished”)

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      All that.

      BTW, of all the drivers on the road, I always hated Volvo drivers who sport an Apple sticker the most. They’re pure entitled no-good scum. Except BMW drivers, they should be euthanised.

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        What kind of image do Volvo drivers have where you live? Here Volvos are just seen as reliable but boring.

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          Here in Slovenia they have this sort of hipster/yuppie clientele, basically the same demographic as the smug Apple users, that’s why you see so many with Apple stickers. Usually they drive the estate version like XC70. The new SUVs are more for the executive smug base, though, but obviously they’re still scumbags. :)

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              I still have to encounter a BMW driver who isn’t a piece of trash. Note that I actually raced with BMWs, but still wouldn’t buy one as a daily driver. 🤷🏼

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    Golden cage.

    Their way or no way.

    It’s really simple.

    Oh adding to that, ever since I received the knowledge: the support, guru or whatever appointment? Worse than doctors and I hate that too. Why??

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      Their way or no way

      The one Apple product I still own is an iPad and I run into this constantly.

      • Support for network shares in the files app is barely functional at best (“Just use iCloud!”)

      • Mouse support is still super limited (“Just use touch!”)

      • You can’t install applications from anywhere but the appstore (“sECuRIty”)

      • You can’t install a proper browser or browser extensions (I don’t know even know what Apple’s excuse for this one would be)

      • You can’t disable or modify window tiling (“It’s just like an iPhone, because fuck multitasking!”)

      Apple sells the iPad as a computer replacement, but basically all its capable of is watching Netflix or basic note-taking. The longer I use this thing the more I want to buy some x86 tablet that I can just install Linux on instead.

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        Apples excuse is Battery Life since their mobile safari is apparently more energy conserving than other browsers.

      • It is true that a real Firefox on iOS/iPadOS is missing. But otherwise you can’t say that your iPad is ONLY used to watch Netflix 🤣 I mean, some people replace their computer with an iPad!

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          I’m being hyperbolic with that last part, but there’s so much basic computer stuff that the iPad can’t do that is feels like Apple only expects this to be a device to watch Netflix on.

          I want to install VS Code (or a comparable IDE) and run/debug some Python scripts, can’t do it.

          I want to open a terminal and use basic utilities like ssh, curl, tar, yt-dlp, rclone, rsync, etc, can’t do it. I literally need to install a separate app that lets me ssh into a Linux box so I can do basic stuff there. I’m SOL if I need to work with any data on the iPad’s file system though.

          I want to install Godot and continue playing around with game development on the go, can’t do it.

          I want to install Steam and play some indie games, can’t do it.

          Procreate is pretty good, but I’d rather use Krita.

          Which means despite the fact that I want to use it for more, all I do with my iPad Pro (“Pro,” lmao) is watch movies and TV from my Jellyfin server, occasionally draw if I don’t feel like sitting at my desk with a proper Wacom/Krita setup, and write my shopping list.

          • 𝙱𝚎𝚝𝚊𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝@lemmy.zipOP
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            I agree, I myself am a programmer but hey not everyone is installing IDEs and game engines and Linux on their tablet. Steam could be interesting knowing that Apple authorizes alternative stores in the European Union. The iPad is not complete indeed, but it is just a consumer computer that targets people who do not want to complicate their lives as well as artists (Apple pencil).

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    I do like their laptops, but for literally everything else: the fact that I basically don’t own my own hardware.

    I can’t install or distribute my own software without Apple’s arbitrary approval. When Apple decides it’s done supporting the products, I can’t even install a different OS like Linux because the hardware is completely locked down… they become paper-weights.

    That is not how ownership is supposed to work.

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        My 2011 iPad 3rd gen.

        A lightweight Linux distribution would make that thing killer for word processing and document reading. Might even allow YouTube videos to be watched again.

        Any equivalent Android tablet would have custom ROMs etc. to get a bit more functionality out of it. I know it’s not a tablet, but look at the Samsung galaxy SII - the amount of community development for that is incredible to this day.

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          I mean, I wouldn’t expect to have custom Linux ROMs for an iPad. For an Android device, which is already Linux based, that would make sense. But it wouldn’t surprise me if the newer iPads had builds for them since they’re built on the same processor as the MacBooks

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        I was able to install Linux on my 2015 MBP, but weird stuff didn’t work OOTB like the webcam and while I eventually got it working, it was less than polished because it was all reverse engineered workarounds by the Linux gods who managed to figure out the exact commands that were needed to be run.

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        Everything except the Mac line has a locked boot process. So your iPhone or iPad must run the latest iOS, must have an Apple ID, must source apps from Apple, and Apple has gotten so good at securing their devices that its basically killed hobbyist jailbreaking.

        Anything you do on these multi thousand dollar devices is only because Apple allows you to— reluctantly, I might add.

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    One of the biggest walled gardens around. Also, they treat users like they’re stupid. No, you can’t do anything with your hardware or software that we don’t want you to. No, you can’t fix it, either. Windows/Linux you’re free to break shit, change whatever you want (not always for windows), repair a system you build yourself, etc. And I despise apple’s perceived “status” and premium pricing. We joke about #pcmasterrace, but there’s some weird social cache around messaging and even dating where you have to have an iPhone to participate. Tf is wrong with people.

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    Few reasons, first is this: . Seems like as long as something has a clean interface, or it looks shiny enough, then all its privacy faults are overlooked.

    Apple also seems to intentionally cultivate and sell their products as privacy-friendly, which is clearly not the case (see image above).

    2nd reason is that I had an iphone 2g (one of the first models, I forget which one), and it had bluetooth support. An iOS update broke it, and when I reached out to apple, they lied to me and told me my device had no bluetooth module at all. They’re one of the worst offenders of planned obsolescence, and have become one of the richest companies on the planet because of it.

    3rd reason: they sell overpriced products to mainly to high-income imperial-core consumers, selling an image of “upper-class professional”. Look at a graph of iOS market share worldwide, vs its market share in the richest countries. Apple didn’t even bother to condescend to make affordable products for the global south.

    The markup on iphones is something outrageous, like 40% of the purchase price is going to the shareholders of apple, not the workers who built the phones. By buying apple, you are mainly supporting these wealthy parasites. Its also why other smartphone brands have higher performance at half the cost of iphones. They really bank on the fact that they’re selling an upper-class identity, and less of a phone.

    4th reason: Their ecosystem is locked down in such a way as to make it difficult for open source development. iirc apple won’t even let you use the GPL for any app on their app store.

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      I wonder if younger millennials’ and Gen z’s overwhelming preference for iPhones over Androids is indicative anything in the future

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          apple products are coveted both in and out of imperial core; whether or not they can afford them.

          my point is that the most well educated and leftist leaning generations we’ve ever had (i’m assuming) continues to place a premium on products like these and that makes the eventuality of breaking out of this imperialist cycle seem unrealistic.

    • Wow, this is the most complete answer I have ever seen. But is it wrong if I stay at Apple? Are there any competitors on the Android side that are worth it (I am thinking in particular of a pixel on which GrapheneOS is installed)?

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        I’m currently using Graphene and I love it. There are some features in this OS that i have never seen before. It feels like I’m just running a regular OS. I don’t notice anything unusual.

        One thing I really like with gOS is the ability to remove network permission on apps. I use Gboard with no network, and I have found it so far to be the best keyboard for me.

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        I’ll mention that a pixel with CalyxOS works great as well, no google code code other than AOSP which helps battery life a lot.

        Some things like voice controlled companion or android auto are being implemented, but I never really gave a fuck about that stuff, being on bicycle or motorcycle only.

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        I don’t think it’s wrong to stay with apple, you could always just go with something else for your next phone, although if you are concerned enough about the privacy aspect, you could always sell your phone, and get some advice about which are the best smartphone models to run the privacy-focused android variants.

        Some of them list the devices they work on, like lineageOS.

        There’s ppl here a lot more knowledgeable than I am here that could help you choose one.

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    Mostly their marketing practices. They are designed well but mostly designed to keep you locked in one way or another.

    For me, their desktop is not as intuitive as people make it seem and lacks simple shortcuts that most other desktops have.

    On mobile, its the restriction of customization and options. They are getting better at customizing but still limit you on options for anything outside of their apps. They claim to be private but follow similar practices as other companies, just in a more quite way with better PR.

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    Objective c, mostly. 😐

    But also the fact that other operating systems run better on their hardware. Linux on apple silicon outperforms macos on that same hardware. A tiny team is porting software to your platform almost completely in the dark.

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    Wife spilled some beer in the keyboard. Screen doesn’t turn on, it doesn’t hold a charge, keyboard doesn’t work. But we need sensitive data off the drive.

    Take it to their “genius” bar where we are told there is nothing that can be done for the old data and we should just buy a new one.

    I take it home, Google a bit and try target disk mode. Et Voila I’m in and can get that data from the hard drive as though it was an external HDD.

    Why the Apple “genius” didn’t share this option with me? They don’t actually care about helping.

    And that’s the rub with Apple. They don’t give a fuck about their users or developers. Just want to herd them around to make more money off their overpriced garbage.

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    I think for most privacy nuts it comes down to “I don’t trust them and it’s closed source. They could be hiding anything in that code.”

    And then there’s the people who can’t afford or won’t spend the money it takes to have an enjoyable Apple experience. It genuinely costs multiple thousands of dollars to get into the Apple ecosystem and then it’s massively painful to get out. It’s basically just “corporation bad” because corporations are bad. The only way to be truly private is to not carry a phone at all and use only FOSS solutions.

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      I keep hearing how painful it is to get out. Can someone please elaborate on this?

      I am not super tech savvy and was DEEP in the ecosystem but didn’t think it was hard by any stretch.

      I migrated my data, purged my files, canceled my subscriptions in a few taps/clicks, sold our imacs, MacBook pros, homepods and iPhones and moved on with my life and haven’t looked back since. Took maybe an afternoon for the data piece and a few other after-the-fact logins to cancel things I forgot about. This is legit the 4th time in two days I’ve read this comment so I am just genuinely curious!

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        If you have terabytes of data in iCloud, use their mail, contacts, photos, everything? Plus decades of purchased content, expensive devices losing functionality by dropping the iPhone… you have to basically replace everything with something else and it’s tedious especially for a less techy person. This is the reason walled gardens are anti consumer.

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        For me the biggest thing would be apps. No way I’d want to re-buy all my apps on the play store.