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This sucks for the general public. You’re always either going to be dealing with a] a disgruntled employee who knows he deserves a raise or b] an under trained new guy. You never get the one who knows the job really well.
10 year old article might be off juuust a smidge
You are right. It is probably much worse these days.
By changing workplaces twice I tripled my income in under 2 years. The biggest thing that happened is that I was promoted to a much more senior position 6 months into the middle workplace, but they screwed me on the salary thinking that because it was a big bump from my lower position it would keep me around.
So I did that job for a year and got hired for the same job elsewhere for a 50% pay increase.
I wonder how this looks when compared to a decent union shop. In union shops you probably tend to not move jobs a lot, or like in some trades you take your union creds with you no matter where you work.
You certainly can increase pay by jumping around a lot in regular work, but union gigs tend to have set progression based on seniority.
Unions periodically renegotiate their salary and benefits through broad company-wide contracts, so its not just a single small bean asking to be paid a bit more. Its an entire department or firm demanding a bigger percentage of the gross revenue.
Seniority solves a lot of the “how much money do I even ask for?” questions when renegotiating salaries. It also establishes a clear-cut cost of living track. You know what you’ll be making in five years, so you can buy a house or get married or have kids with some underlying expectation of how much you’ll earn when your cost of living goes up.
Well, yes…I’ve been union for decades so I’m quite familiar. This comment is helpful to summarize for some people a bit of how unions do things, but when I originally commented it was more a question about how the two compared as far as earnings. Do you have to constantly jump around non-union jobs to keep up with union wages? Will the mobile employee outpace union wages? At what rate? Overall lifetime earnings? My understanding is that union gigs for comparable jobs may not offer high pay off the bat, but over a lifetime often do better than non-union with wages, benefits, and retirement. However, some normal jobs will allow you to jump right in to good pay relative to a union gig but you may not advance much in pay or have to leave to advance.
Or, as my omniscient relatives and neighbors who have on countless occasions provided unsolicited commentary on my career would say, “a nice stable job, why don’t you ever stay in one place?”
This has been well documented for at least a decade.
Meanwhile, employers feign concern over turnover but know it’s a better bottom line and their bonus to let employees with standards leave than to do the right thing.
I keep on getting fired. I also usually get a dramatic pay increase with each new job. Still pisses me off.
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It sounds like you are in a good place, and are satisfied. For what it’s worth, IMO, just stay happy. If that means staying where you are, you don’t gotta impress nobody but yourself. So don’t worry about all the other noise. Always keep one eye on the prize, like in today’s professional world, you always have to be prepared for the rug to be pulled up from under you with a layoff or if the company hires a new boss for you and they are a zeeb, but once you got that concern appropriately hedged, always put professional well being above everything else.
I left my last job to make double what the previous one paid, and my job is a nightmare job. Each successive job pays me more, makes me more miserable, the people are always worse and more money just means more problems. Money ain’t everything, and I mean it. Make enough to survive, live your happy idea of a perfect lifestyle, save for rainy days and retirement, and the rest is just noise.
But how did you get there?
I think job-hopping helps people who still need to climb the ladder until they land some “senior” position into which they can settle in, safe in the knowledge that they can always find another job elsewhere with their experience.
This article could’ve gotten paid more if it hadn’t stayed on forbes for nine years and instead jumped publishers.
Yeah this sucks for people like me that just want to do a good job. 30 years and finally making some money but not goood money.
Negotiating with your current boss is significantly more difficult than negotiating with a future prospective firm, because your future prospective firm doesn’t have the power to fire you.
It’s 10000x better in the blue collar world because right off the bat you’re assumed to be as useless as a person can possibly be so you either do the futile argue for a raise (which never matches what you should get) or you take a huge pay cut when finding a new job…
I’ve been stuck in the same cycle for 15 years now… Get shitty raises for 5 years, get burned out and bail, take massive pay cut, prove my worth to get back to shitty wage I left for but am now burned out again, find a new job and take another massive pay cut etc etc… adjusted for inflation I make as much now as I did 10 years ago…
These articles are always about white collar work. :(
Mind me asking what you do?
My job doesn’t like to give titles so no one can determine their value, but I’m something like a supervisor/manager/QC in a factory that makes luxury products for the ultra wealthy and the military.
What kind of luxury products does the military buy?
Probably custom metal fabrication or some nautical stuff
It’s a separate part of the company. The parts are similar but not made to be luxurious and some are just completely different things that aren’t luxury at all. I wrote the initial comment without the military part added, but I edited it to add that so I guess it kinda reads a little odd now.
I don’t think there are many companies at all that do what we do so I’m being kinda vague lol
Too late for you to back out now. You are now and forever known as that one guy that makes luxury military equipment.
I’ve moved to a couple different employers over the last few years obtaining all kinds of skills, most of the companies went down or moved to cheaper labour countries.
My wage has been stagnant for the past 10 years. It’s all bullshit anyway, they just fuck with you just to fuck with you.
We just have a fully open system based on age, experience and seniority.
No discussions, no begging or threatening to leave, but also just industry median salary.
I have stayed for 6 years now.
The public sector model, there’s definitely something good about knowing exactly where you are and where you’re going, only a problem when the scale is totally off of whack with current CoL etc.
Except I can’t switch cause the tech sector crashed and nobody hits me back.
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Man I am getting hit up a lot. What do you focus on?
Better question: what do you focus on?
Data engineering, pipeline stuff, cloud dev to support the pipeline… with enough cs chops to pass software engineer interviews rust/TS/python. Obv SQL too. Docker, terraform and similar like cloud formation. Conversational enough to interface with PMs and external clients.
Enough architecture experience to build out medium scale data applications
Something like 6th year
What I should have said:
Data structures and algorithms bro
TC or gtfo
Yeah I’m just a 5 year IT guy. That’s probably why. I have taken data structures and algorithms classes in college though maybe I could look at that.
Any interest in DevOps? Might be a good extension from it
It sounds cool, tbh. I’d be willing to look a lot of places in tech for something new. My current place is just verifiably insane. They had no help desk tickets when I got here.
Yikes.
Maybe browse some AWS certifications. You could rack several up in a few weeks or months and have a few more feathers in the cap
Unless you have a union job, then you’re making the same thing as anyone else with the same experience as you and you’ve got benefits and probably job security 👍
Yeah I love being in a union. It’s 👍
Confirmed 👍 and Im not top rate yet
I’ve been mostly working at startups since I graduated and I haven’t had a job for longer than 2 years once I stopped delivering pizza for Papa John’s and driving for Lyft. My pay is pretty good but it’s kinda balanced out by the amount of time I’ve been unemployed.
Incidentally it can also work at your existing company. I’ve gotten 5 promotions in 6 years and my salary is 120% more than when I started. It’s less the company hopping part and more ensuring you grow in your career. I’ve found that it’s definitely about stating your desires (having a clearly defined “this is where I want to go in my career”), volunteering for the random projects your boss or their boss needs done and showing you want to grow.
That only works if you have managers that give a rip about helping you grow and compensating you well for that growth, which sadly, most people don’t have.
In my experience, staying at the same place and taking on more “growth opportunities” was just an excuse for management to throw more on my plate without compensation increases. Sure I would get a little raise sometimes, but it was always pissy amounts of money, even when I asked for more.
I started jumping jobs aggressively and magically my pay exploded upwards. I now have basically zero loyalty to the companies I work for, just like they have for me. Contract work is even better for this, but the downside is usually you have bad or zero benefits.
