You forgot the before part, where he spent decades trying to genocide the empire and take over their bases because they were special places.
You forgot the before part, where he spent decades trying to genocide the empire and take over their bases because they were special places.
You mean the decades where the empire tried to Genocide the native population and colonized their land?
Hamas wasn’t created in a vacuum is what I’m saying.
I think you switched up the empire and the natives
Man this post is really some kind of crazy Rorschach test
Two neighbors were fighting over a financial dispute. They couldn’t reach an agreement, so they took their case to the local rabbi. The rabbi heard the first litigant’s case, nodded his head and said, “You’re right.”
The second litigant then stated his case. The rabbi heard him out, nodded again and said, “You’re also right.”
The rabbi’s attendant, who had been standing by this whole time, was justifiably confused. “But, rebbe,” he asked, “how can they both be right?”
The rav thought about this for a moment before responding, “You’re right, too!”
right? my first thought was pro-palestine, then i remembered my local closet trumper is obsessed with Star Wars and views himself as part of the Rebellion/Resistance and the other interpretation became clear. did we learn nothing from the obama-era liberal harry potter fetish?
I’ve always been more worried of the Empire did nothing wrong facet of the Fandom, but I guess there’s people who think they’re rebellion too. Despite the fact that the rebellion is the one with multiple races…
Still, there is an odd commonality of right wing propaganda types using fictional movies, shows, and books as if they are reality.
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the funniest thing to me is that “the red pill” is supposed to represent estrogen
I’m just taking it as someone who loves reminiscing about episode IV
Yeah, I want to interpret it as someone posting not only in support of Palestine, but in warning to Israel that their actions are that of the star wars Empire, and that the rebels did eventually succeed in a massive counterattack
Yeah but in this story the “rebels” want to kill as many Jews as they can, as we saw on October 7.
In this story if there is a successful counter attack, it will be many many more civilians dead.
The rebels aren’t always the good guys, you know. I mean do you support the Rebels in the US Civil War? Sometimes the smaller power is just a group of assholes that want horrible things.
Liberals will cheer on the rebal alliance then go home and vote for the empire.
There wasn’t any voting in the Empire after Palpatine dissolved the Senate.
Sort of like how there was no voting in Gaza after Hamas permanently suspended elections.
Also there were homes in Israel that looked a lot like Luke’s house after Hamas attacked and mercilessly massacred everyone they could find on October 7.
It’d be better if they do exactly what Palpatine and the Empire want by making choices that help Sith Lords take more seats in the government.
Screw you
Did it make you cry?
Fuck off
And if I remember correctly Luke was wanting to join the Imperial Academy but his uncle kept him on the hydro farm another year.
Luke was just prior to that even a willing participant of the empire. He wanted to be a pilot, if only to get out of Tatooine.
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Sometimes writers make something good accidentally, then keep yapping until it contradicts itself, I suppose.
Except that the rebels didn’t create the empire that they had to destroy, and the empire wasn’t some tiny little swath of land with an oppressed people living on it being bombed out of existence by the rebels.
The Israeli government and military are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that’s all there is to that. Also Hamas is a terrorist organization and is also committing war crimes, likely on a daily basis, and that’s all there is to that. They both need to be punished for all the evil they’ve done.
every act of violence taken by an oppressed people against their oppressor to resist their own eradication is morally justified.
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You might want to look into that “election”.
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Can’t believe we’re living in a timeline where some people unironically support or even related to Hamas.
You guys know you’re allowed to disagree with both IDF and Hamas, right?
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No other army wouldn’t have just levelled a nations cities because there are terrorists in them?
The IDF sets up humanitarian corridors as a PR move, then spoils it by bombing them. Humanitarian corridors are not exclusive to the IDF, as with every other example you started with “no other army”. You also are completely failing to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians.
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Yeah and the Brits did nothing to provoke the Irish into a quarter century bombing campaign.
Force doesn’t work for ending terrorism, only getting round the table will.
If you’re willing to kill an entire people (that is, genocide) then violence works. There are no native American raids into white settlements in the USA anymore.
Israel has the poor taste to want to use the same tactics that European empires used in the 16th to 20th centuries, but in the 20th and 21st centuries.
Ok, yeah that’s a good point.
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I’m beginning to agree that force is the only way to stop Israeli terrorism. The notion that Israel hasn’t “done anything” to the Palestinians to bring on October 7 is ridiculous.
If you think the northern Irish terrorism wasn’t religious I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Yes it came to an end when a ceasefire es agreed, exactly as I said. By getting around a table.
brits actually did
You say that like Israel didn’t.
As someone else pointed out, the kind of genocidal force that Israel is applying may actually work, in the same way it worked for the USA with their “Indian Question”. Though that ultimately was a prolonged military and economic attack from multiple fronts.
The question is are we still in a world that’ll sit by one nation systematically eradicates an entire people?
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China is around doing this, Russia does the terrorists you support want to.
True. The only difference I guess is west isn’t on such friendly terms with those countries. Whereas we’re actively aiding and a betting Israel’s genocide.
don’t randomly target civilians…
This is just a lie.
living peacefully together with the other people in Israel.
There’s also Israel occupying Palestinian land and actively turning a blind eye to their “settlers” committing violence and murdering Palestinians.
At political terrorism, wich is exactly what i said.
It was religious terrorism.
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Hamas was an elected government, in 2006. Elections haven’t been held since. I hope your mention of “elected government” was to say “an elected government shouldn’t behave like this” instead of how it struck me, which was “the electors of that government are more or less responsible for the government’s behavior today”.
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Hamas was financed by the government of Israel in an attempt to weaken the Palestinian Authority led by Fatah. So Israel can go fuck itself.
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Do maybe just the smallest amout of research or look on Google for 20 whole seconds and you will see how wrong you are.
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And that does nothing to disprove the fact that the Israeli government funded hamas. Pull your head out of Benjamin Netanyahu’s asshole and actually look into it. The info is all over the place. All you have to do is actually open your eyes and look at it. Going there has absolutely nothing to do with who funded who, but be careful and don’t break your arm while patting yourself on the back, bud.
I mean, you’re right. Israel didn’t fund Hamas. They assisted in the delivery of funding from Qatar.
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I mean we’re talking about political bullshit so I’m not going to get into worrying about what it was ostensibly for.
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Yeah, but that one dude is the UN foreign policy chief, and he is far from the only one. Nobody is claiming Hamas isn’t supported by Iran and Russia.
Ummm, Hitler was voted into power
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33% wins elections and is quite excusable when there’s more than two parties.
So now I have to somehow teach or show you that 33% can be majority?
“The Nazi Party lost 35 seats in the November 1932 election, but remained the Reichstag’s largest party, with 196 seats (33.1%). The Social Democrats (SPD) won 121 seats (20.4%) and the Communists (KPD) won 100 (16.9%).”
Sit down and shut up troll.
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Stop drinking the red koolaid troll.
JFC not everyone uses FPP
He was elected. What you consider “excusable” is irrelevant.
Assassination attempts on Hitler: 42 Assassination attempts on Hamas officials: 0
Totally the same thing 🤔
Nice try.
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Palestine will be free. Run along.
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And free from genocide loving Israel.
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Hey fuck Nazis and fuck Israel.
From the river to the sea, motherfuckers.
I live in the Los Angeles area and I’m posting on a public forum. If you’re that upset, maybe it’s time for you to log off for a bit and go outside.
Please, and i say this with the best of intentions, stop being a dumbass.
I’m really not sure I understand what point he’s trying to make. First of all he’s equating fiction to reality which is ridiculous at the very least.
But secondly, he took revenge on the people who actually killed his family. As opposed to taking revenge on people that just happened to be in the approximate vicinity of people who killed his family. The Death Star was a military base.
I’m really not sure I understand what point he’s trying to make.
The point is that there exists a fundamental dissonance between events as they transpire in fiction and for which the audience is emotionally invested and those same kinds of events as they happen in real life and the audience’s perception of them as they happen in real life.
Star Wars was originally inspired by Lucas’s perspective on the Vietnam War. The Storm Troopers are, in that sense, comparable to American forces killing unarmed Vietnamese farmers. Most Americans who saw Star Wars never made that connection because this is in conflict with the audience’s internalized notion of “America good” and “America’s enemies bad.” As such, in watching and enjoying the story of Star Wars, you are ironically investing yourself into a narrative that inverts your normative ideological position. You can extrapolate this onto the current conflict in Ghaza without much effort.
First of all he’s equating fiction to reality which is ridiculous at the very least.
They are not being “equated” - they are being compared. He’s making an implied comparison between fictional events and real world current events in order to highlight similarities between the two. Specifically, he’s doing a form of comparison called “juxtaposition.” Being able to do this is a very basic element of media literacy.
he took revenge on the people who actually killed his family
Well, no, the specific individuals who killed his family were probably the stormtroopers stationed on Tatooine, whom he never actually interacted with. The specific people onboard the Death Star that were not part of the Empire’s military high command had virtually nothing at all to do with his family’s death.
As opposed to taking revenge on people that just happened to be in the approximate vicinity of people who killed his family. The Death Star was a military base.
The individual in the image literally says that he “immediately joined the armed resistance and literally blew up the enemy base.” Not sure what your point is here, unless you’re implying that you believe that the Palestinians who are fighting against Israel are only attacking indiscriminate civilian targets and not military ones.
The big difference here is that Vietnam never attacked America.
You’re right. Israel was always there and then the Palestinians just showed up randomly one day and attacked them out of nowhere. There is no decades long history of apartheid and outright oppression of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel and this conflict has no roots in colonialism or ethnostate politics. /s
Both Israelis and Palestinians are native to the same place. Both have faced persecution and intolerance under the various empires that have controlled the land. From the Romans to the Ottomans to the British, even now the American empire is tipping the scales for their own benefit. The conflict cannot be solved by exiling or eliminating one side or the other, true peace and cooperation is the only way forward.
Israel is attacking civilians indiscriminately what are you on about
Do you have a reading disability
Do you think Israel in this scenario is the Rebel Alliance or the Empire? Because you seem confused.
It works both ways depending on the timescale you apply. You could compare the murder of lukes parents to october 7th. It fits the “bad thing where people die happens, response kills far more” that applies to palestine too. And the public perception, especially of people supporting israel, seems to think the conflict started there.
I saw it that way, but still as a post critical of israel saying “it’s easy to see an atrocity and want revenge at all costs, but that doesn’t make it right”. The “yea” at the end implies to me that what we thought with the fiction was maybe mistaken.
Of course, the death star was a weapon of mass destruction seconds from destroying a planet, so there really isn’t much moral ambiguity there, but not mentioning that is likely deliberate in order to make the comparison work.
Both Death Stars were literally weapons of mass destruction. You could not choose a more appropriate military target to blow up
Yeah, cause it’s fiction idiot. You know, the thing where we can have clear cut situations that are entirely black and white. Where one side is entirely evil and the entire one pure good. Reality fucking sucks
Also, it was a long, long time ago.
That’s the fun part about Palestine. Reality rarely gets as black and white as it is there.
And still our country is cheering for black.
This post could support both sides
Just like in the movies, if you only tell the story from one side. You could ignore the October attack and sympathize with Palestine
That is like sympathizing with the Nazis and the Jews in WW2 at the same time.
Many people sympathized with the Nazis in WW2. Everything was so much more gray black then. But then we found out that "wait Genocide is bad this is actually pretty black and white.’ And so it is with Palestine which is currently under attack by the modern day Nazis.
Okay since you appear to already sympathize with Palestine and can’t seem to understand my post because of it
You could ignore the civilian attacks by the IDF and sympathize with Israel
Yes they have a saying for that.
wir haben es nicht gewußt
While they chant from river to sea. That has been their slogan way before October 7th. They always been a terroristic people. That’s why they allow and voted in a terrorist organization to govern them way before October 7th.
Go back to reddit worldnews dude
ur duuuuumb
Hamas launches rockets from schools and hospitals, kills other Muslims who cooperate with Israel
Has in its founding charter the death of all Jews
Rarely gets as black and white as it is there
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When you lie about everything it becomes gray indeed. Good job.
Which claim was a lie? I’d be happy to provide sources
Sure provide sources Hamas fired rockets from schools during the current Genocide.
Sure. Here’s a Jpost article. The language is right-leaning and incendiary, but the pictures are real.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-769701
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-jerusalem-post/
Here’s another source: https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/defense/1671035706-israeli-army-reveals-hamas-rocket-launching-sites-near-3-schools-in-gaza
Here’s a UNRWA source:
To be honest, it’s a bit embarrassing that you’re invested at all in this horrible conflict without even realizing who Hamas is, or what they stand for. Hamas is famous for using civilians as human shields, and it is no secret that they continue to do so.
Here’s a link from Yale University that has Hamas’ founding charter:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious
The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
We should not forget to remind every Moslem that when the Jews conquered the Holy City in 1967, they stood on the threshold of the Aqsa Mosque and proclaimed that “Mohammed is dead, and his descendants are all women.”
Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. “May the cowards never sleep.”
Keep in mind, I’m not saying that innocent people being bombed by Israel is okay, but don’t pretend that Hamas are freedom fighters. They’d love nothing more than to enact a second Holocaust, and they’re religious fanatics in every sense of the word.
Your UNRWA report says “found in vacant school” not fired so no.
What does the new Hamas charter say? You can’t read the old one so they spelled it out for you. Go search chapter 16.
Fun fact, whether this meme is pro-Israel or pro-Palestine is 100% decided by what date you consider the “start” of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Ishmael v Isaac. Got it.
Oh, so you’re just gonna ignore how Sarah treated Hagar and lay it all on Ishmael, huh? :P
Late 1800s when Zionists started making trouble in Palestine.
1948 was ugly too
The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated. The “they hit me first” gets really fucking dumb after like 10 rounds. That’s why most people in the west don’t support the war, they support leaving people alone. Either the gazans or the Israelites.
War is the ultimate singularity. It’s a black hole that sucks up everyone and everything and there’s literally no positive to it. So if you have a say in it, the only way to cause less tragedy is to stop it.
On that note, fuck the Hamas for attacking Israel at the festival, and fuck Israel for escalating this into another war.
Circle of hatred.
No matter if it is about a relationship, two political parties or countries. You can only brake out of it,if you commit to not go for the “revenge”.
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Yup it started on 10/7 and I’m glad Israel is eradicating Hamas. Free every hostage.
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Death to war. Life to all children of the Levant.
I mean, Isreal invented and funded hamas and gave them weapons. So fuck israel.
Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It wasn’t “invented” by Israel. And Israel didn’t fund them, but it’s true that Bibi let Qatar money reach Hamas when he could’ve blocked it.
The belief among some of the ones who supported that, was that better conditions of life in Gaza would prevent them from going to another war - An article about it from 2015Mhhh yes which is why israel systematically blocks aid from entering Gaza and the humanitarian catastrophe and restrictions on aid only got worse over the years. Surely israel tried to help Gaza by instead of letting in food, give money to Hamas. this makes perfect sense now.
NPR is straight up Zionist propaganda.
Well goddammit, we’ve got a genuine freedom fighter here in our midst, waging war against the (wink wink nudge nudge) ZIONISTS. Are you a member of the legendary 104th Battalion, the Keyboard Snipers? Or are you part of that new 88th Battalion, the Fighting Dogwhistle Luftwaffles, deploying out of your parents basement?
Look at that a Genocide defender saying that criticism of israel is antisemitic.
Hamas was the government of Gaza. You couldn’t get anything in there without it getting through Hamas anyway.
They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.And your dear Al-Jazeera has an article from 2017 that says Qatari money actually did help Gaza Analysts: Qatar supports Gaza not Hamas
Are they also Zionist propaganda now?They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.
Yes which why it is obvious the blockade on Gaza was only using the blocking of “smuggled weapons” as an excuse to starve civilians.
You are destroying your own argument.
Your Qatar link is irrelevant. Of course Qatar supports Gaza. However Netanyahu asked Qatar to give cash to Hamas.
can i be pro-both, anti-genocide, and think that both of their ruling parties are fucked to shit
I think that much be a popular opinion but WTF is happening there
Hamas’s entire goal is to kill all Jews, and take Israel back for themselves (“river to the sea”).
What do people think is going to happen if Israel just stops? Another Oct. 7th. At what point do people need to address this fact?
Hamas actually got rid of that from its charter. It stopped making claims like that around the early 2000s and actually revamped their entire charter in 2018.
October 7th was the direct result of over a decade of Israeli war on Gaza bombing hospitals, shooting protestors, and blockading them. It’s what happens when terrorists try to moderate and go legitimate but get rebuffed.
And then, the future. Are you really trying to say Hamas has anywhere near the military power of the IDF? That a Hamas led genocide is a realistic thing to worry about? Because that’s ridiculous. Just based on the numbers.
This is a massive lie. Hamas goal is to get colonizers off their land.
Hamas has never killed a single Jew outside of israel. In fact it doesn’t kill any people that don’t occupy their land.
Hamas certainly said it in the past. Israel is doing it now. Who’s right and who’s wrong?
Hamas very clearly states that it does not want to Genocide the Jews.
Yeah I was thinking it was pro Palestine until I read the comments and realized it could be interpreted the other way as well…
Idk if the ambiguity was intentional, but it’s good lol.
Hard for the state to rebel against itself, no?
And then he genitally mutilated the women he found, attempted and conduced beheadings and also attacked a festival near that outpost. He also did that years after the last attack, during a time of relative relaxation, knowing well that the reaction would bring destruction on an unimaginable scale to his people. And before that, he aceoted large sums of money from the empire.
Holy shit, can you stop painting the Hamas as anything other than what a Palestinian IDF would look like? People really look at theocrat8c and fascist8c Organisation and go “ooh but they da freedum faiters, dey must be gud.”
These are two unpopular governments throwing their civilians in a stupid war. Hamas was elected in the last parliamentary elections, which happened in 2006. They are just a political party clinging to power, as is Bibi’s party.
The war only makes both parties more powerful. You should support the Palestinian people because of the inequality between them and Israël, because of Israël’s apartheid regime, not because Hamas.
Which i do. I want to make that clear.
I’m sorry for venting below your comment, I just felt your opinion was close to mine, so I felt the need to proclaim my thoughts.
Hey, no problem, apparently other people took my commend to mean that i somehow like the IDF or Israels policies.
theocrat8c and fascist8c
Why the eights?
Fuck that post. It puts even more gasoline into the fire. Break out of the circle of hatred. Stop the war!
The problem is it can be just as easily interpreted either way. It should seem to most of us to say, ‘destroying homes creates more martyrs,’ but I’m sure half the people will interpret it as, ‘unprovoked attack deserves indiscriminate retaliation.’ In that, it does a surprisingly good job of encapsulating how complicated the whole thing is…
That was kind of my issue. Reading this doesn’t make it clear who’s PoV we have here.
I dont see how it is complicated. There were people living on a land. Another people came to steal it and started the violence. Since then it committed far more violence while being armed and supported by another imperial entity that wants those people to keep destabilizing their region to prevent the development of a stable regional power that could leverage its resources and strategic position appropriately.
Oh my, Why we didn’t that of that?
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“A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now.”
“Eviscerated into cinders.” Whut 🤦♂️
I had the same thought. This whole post reeks of the appeal to authority fallacy, simply because the poster (purports to be) a rabbit.
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I don’t know why people seem to be mad that a fictional story can accurately represent real life like we don’t already have actual real life examples of the same thing.
Anyone remember Rambo thanking the Mujahideen fighters, which was retracted in future publications.
This movie is dedicated to the brave freedom fighters of the Mujihadeen
