Please try to understand; it’s very important. Every trade agreement we make costs us sovereignty. You want a publicly owned NHS? Too bad. It’s on the negotiating table when we deal with the Americans. In secret.
EU directives around human rights, environmental protection or animal welfare are not trade agreements.
They are effectively terms of a trade agreement. Goods traded in the EU have to meet standards.
The cost of leaving the EU is money well spent.
To what end? Nothing is better. Many things are worse. Is there any payoff at all?
This just seems absurd to me. I see no such increases.
Exhibit A: The Rwanda scheme.
you want less corruption, less cruelty, more respect for human rights, and you’re happy to give up degrees of democracy in order to have that.
I simply don’t believe we will have “more democracy” outside the EU. We elected our MEPs. We do not elect our trade negotiators, nor those with whom they negotiate. In terms of democracy, we’re swapping a pittance for nothing. So I’ll take the reduced cruelty and corruption, the human rights, and the pittance of democracy please.
No monetary payoff, no. I see now that money is what’s detaining you.
Exhibit A: The Rwanda scheme.
The Rwanda scheme isn’t an increase in the reprehensible behaviour of government, it’s the same amount of reprehensible behaviour as has always been displayed, before and after Brexit.
Anyway, to address the points you bothered to make:
No monetary payoff, no. I see now that money is what’s detaining you.
Any payoff at all? I’ll take anything.
The Rwanda scheme isn’t an increase in the reprehensible behaviour of government, it’s the same amount of reprehensible behaviour as has always been displayed, before and after Brexit.
I see it as a new low, though YMMV. My opinion is that in general, the last few years of government have been the most destructive in living memory.
Please try to understand; it’s very important. Every trade agreement we make costs us sovereignty. You want a publicly owned NHS? Too bad. It’s on the negotiating table when we deal with the Americans. In secret.
They are effectively terms of a trade agreement. Goods traded in the EU have to meet standards.
To what end? Nothing is better. Many things are worse. Is there any payoff at all?
Exhibit A: The Rwanda scheme.
I simply don’t believe we will have “more democracy” outside the EU. We elected our MEPs. We do not elect our trade negotiators, nor those with whom they negotiate. In terms of democracy, we’re swapping a pittance for nothing. So I’ll take the reduced cruelty and corruption, the human rights, and the pittance of democracy please.
LOL
No monetary payoff, no. I see now that money is what’s detaining you.
The Rwanda scheme isn’t an increase in the reprehensible behaviour of government, it’s the same amount of reprehensible behaviour as has always been displayed, before and after Brexit.
LOL
You realise that LOL isn’t a convincing reply?
Anyway, to address the points you bothered to make:
Any payoff at all? I’ll take anything.
I see it as a new low, though YMMV. My opinion is that in general, the last few years of government have been the most destructive in living memory.