• EatATaco@lemm.ee
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    7 months ago

    Why is that a criticism? This is how it works for humans too: we study, we learn the stuff, and then try to recall it during tests. We’ve been trained on the data too, for neither a human nor an ai would be able to do well on the test without learning it first.

    This is part of what makes ai so “scary” that it can basically know so much.

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      7 months ago

      Dont anthropomorphise. There is quite the difference between a human and an advanced lookuptable.

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        7 months ago

        Well… I do agree with you but human brains are basically big prediction engines that use lookup tables, experience, to navigate around life. Obviously a super simplification, and LLMs are nowhere near humans, but it is quite a step in the direction.

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        7 months ago

        I absolutely agree. However, if you think the LLMs are just fancy LUTs, then I strongly disagree. Unless, of course, we are also just fancy LUTs.

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          7 months ago

          You ever meet an ai researcher with a background in biology? I’ve discussed this stuff with one. She disagrees with Turing about machines thinking including when ai is in the picture. They process information very differently from how biology does

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            7 months ago

            This is a vague non answer, although I agree it’s done very differently because our process is biological and ai is not.

            But as I asked elsewhere, what’s the effective difference?

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              7 months ago

              so to summarize, your only contributions to this thread are to go “well uh you just don’t know how LLMs work” while providing absolutely no detail of your own, and reporting our regulars for “Civility” when they rightly called you out for being a fucking idiot who’s way out of their depth

              how fucking embarrassing for you

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        7 months ago

        I guess it comes down to a philosophical question as to what “know” actually means.

        But from my perspective is that it certainly knows some things. It knows how to determine what I’m asking, and it clearly knows how to formulate a response by stitching together information. Is it perfect? No. But neither are humans, we mistakenly believe we know things all the time, and miscommunications are quite common.

        But this is why I asked the follow up question…what’s the effective difference? Don’t get me wrong, they clearly have a lot of flaws right now. But my 8 year old had a lot of flaws too, and I assume both will get better with age.

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          7 months ago

          i guess it comes down to a philosophical question

          no, it doesn’t, and it’s not a philosophical question (and neither is this a question of philosophy).

          the software simply has no cognitive capabilities.

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            7 months ago

            The dehumanization that happens just because people think LLMs are impressive (they are, just not that impressive) is insane.

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      7 months ago

      Because a machine that “forgets” stuff it reads seems rather useless… considering it was a multiple choice style exam and, as a machine, Chat GPT had the book entirely memorized, it should have scored perfect almost all the time.

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        7 months ago

        Chat GPT had the book entirely memorized

        I feel like this exposes a fundamental misunderstanding of how LLMs are trained.