• MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Honestly, I’m less worried about the speed and moreso I just don’t like supporting Google’s de facto monopoly of the Web’s infrastructure.

    • ChallengeApathy@infosec.pubdeleted by creatorEnglish
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      2 years ago

      The thing is, using a Chromium-based browser isn’t contributing to their monopoly unless Google holds sway over the fork. Brave, Vivaldi, those two are generally fine and stand against what Google has been up to.

      • jose1324@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        I dunno. Using chromium with a little editing, but 90% og chromium is basically the same monopoly.

          • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
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            2 years ago

            You can’t truly degoogle chromium without a hard fork. Soft forks are still enabling them and their grip on the web, even if they’re not specifically spying on you in particular.

      • Vittelius@feddit.de
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        2 years ago

        They are contributing to Google’s hold over web specs. If Google decides to implement a feature off spec, then website developers will optimise for that implementation because it will be the implementation used by all chromium based browsers. And that leads to worse performance for other browsers with a more correct implementation.

      • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Sure it is. Everyone starts trying to be sure things render correctly on Chromium based browsers and nothing else. Next thing you know people say “Wow Chromium based browsers render pages more reliably than everything else” and then you end up somewhere not too differently from where we were heading. Everything that’s not based on Chromium starts getting tossed aside.

  • Anamnesis@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    One thing I’ve been annoyed with after switching to Firefox is the iffy password manager performance. It’s so common for it not to remember a password that it should, or, weirdly, for it to only remember the password once I’ve typed the whole username in and hit tab.

  • 6mementomori@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    does anyone recommend any Firefox alternatives? I genuinely hate Firefox’s UI and keybinds and the scrolling tabs

    • sga@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      you may not even have to change to another browser or fork, please have a look at some designs in https://trickypr.github.io/FirefoxCSS-Store.github.io/ select a design and follow the page, and you shall find the instructions (usually just downloading/pasting userChrome/Content.css)

      and for scrolling tabs, if your problem is very small tab size, then try changing browser.tabs.tabMinWidth in about:config

    • AliOski@feddit.nl
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      2 years ago

      Floorp, I use it and I love it. It’s especially great for Opera refugees, it has workspaces and stuff. Soon Firefox will support tab groups natively, and then Floorp will be perfect. It’s a Firefox fork though.

      • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@lemmy.today
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        2 years ago

        Tab groups and non-independent tab muting (seems like it was domain-specific rather than tab-specific last I tried) are the two main things that kept me from switching back to FF as my primary browser (still use it for DTA, for example, but DTA got a big nerf back during the major extension overhaul, so that was a letdown). Tried some extensions, but none really worked in a way I considered usable and didn’t want to just keep trial and erroring through them given I already have a browser that functionally meets my needs, even if I’d rather not be using a chromium browser.

        If native tab groups work well enough, I’ll probably give it another chance.

          • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@lemmy.today
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            2 years ago

            I sometimes just need to mute something for a second that I’m otherwise listening to. Or I’m switching between multiple sources, and don’t want like 3 or more playing at the same time… usually all on the same domain. I don’t want to have to actually go to the tab and mute it. I’m frequently muting and unmuting things that way to the point that even if its the only source of sound, I still mute by tab instead of just turning my computer volume off sometimes out of habit, so its a deal breaker.

            I think this just says more about the perils of embracing untreated ADHD than the internet itself.

  • whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    If you’re switching a couple extensions are uBlock origin and no script with Firefox, prevents most ads and lets you choose which hosts to accept JavaScript from temporarily or permanently.

        • uhN0id@programming.dev
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          2 years ago

          Would noscript allow you to block things like when a site packs your history with their website making it impossible to back out to the page you came from? How does it work considering so many sites now are built with JavaScript libraries like React?

          • whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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            2 years ago

            I dunno about the history but single page apps like react apps you can just accept the JS from the actual host in the address bar and leave all the rest turned off. Just tested on twitch. Accepting no JS loaded the home page and a spinner gif after selecting a stream. Accepted just twitch.tv and I could see the video stream and chat without having to accept any of the other hosts blocked.

            • uhN0id@programming.dev
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              2 years ago

              Rad. Thank you. Working on my switch to Firefox today. Between this noscript stuff and learning about styling Firefox with CSS I’m absolutely sold on the switch and no longer dread the process of ditching Chrome (mostly due to familiarity than anything else).

              Thanks for the info!

      • Zerush@lemmy.ml
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        2 years ago

        Vivaldi has in its inbuild ad/trackerblocker also filters to block cookie popups, no problem with this

    • sudo42@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Mouse gestures is the killer-app for me on Firefox. Hate surfing without it.

      P.S. Do wish Firefox had tab groups tho.

        • sudo42@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Firefox add-on for Tab Groups? I looked and couldn’t find one. At some point they appeared to try to support tab groups, but gave up? I dunno. I’ve only used Chrome a little. I don’t personally care for Chrome, but I found the tab groups useful.

          • psud@aussie.zone
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            2 years ago

            I just searched “tab groups Firefox” and found results saying it has them. No idea as I wasn’t able to find relevant settings last time I tried on a PC. Mobile just now I tried adding tabs to a collection, but it doesn’t look like it did anything

            • sudo42@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Thanks, but I tried a few weeks back to get tab groups working for Firefox on MacOS. No joy.

              • psud@aussie.zone
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                2 years ago

                Hope someone else chimes in on how to do this. I typically have hundreds of tabs open, groups were a godsend

                On mobile chrome I have “:D” tabs open which I occasionally go through and cull

  • Caveman@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    FF is doing great. All the have to do now is the Steam strategy. Do nothing and wait for the competition to fuck themselves over.

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      Steam’s strategy was to be first to market and essentially the only player in the game for a decade, making themselves the default.

    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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      2 years ago

      Thats the problem tho, the new mozilla leadership is on the “do anything but nothing” ship. I really hope they either dont do anything too horrible or someone forks it if they do.

    • VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      You mean hope that they too don’t become subject to enshittification? I don’t have a lot of faith in that.

      Besides that, Google is controlling as fuck. They might keep fucking themselves over but there’s no way they won’t start attempting to ruin things for the rest of us.

      • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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        2 years ago

        It seems Mozilla is not immune to the AI hype. I just hope their AI endeavour won’t kill them when the AI hype finally ends.

        • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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          2 years ago

          to be fair they are the only ones i know of putting it to actual good use.

          ai itself is not the problem.

        • KubeRoot@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Thankfully the AI use is very tame so far, used for stuff like offline alt text generation and offline translation. I’m personally still concerned about copyrights and ethics of the models used, but at least it’s directed towards providing specific features, not a magic cure-all.

          • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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            2 years ago

            I’m more concerned with Mozilla spending its meager resources to chase some fads instead of focusing on improving firefox.

  • papalonian@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I’ve switched to Firefox but there’s definitely a few things that irritate me about it.

    First thing is when I boot up my computer, launch Firefox, it launches long enough for me to click a bookmark then closes to perform an update. And then doesn’t automatically reopen…

    I also have it set to not “remember” my tabs after closing. Yet when I launch Firefox for the first time after rebooting or closing ally tabs, it gives me a “hmm… we’re having a hard time finding your previous session” message. Uh, yeah, I told you not to look for it… can I just have the regular “new tab” page?

    It also might just be because I’m used to chrome, but I feel the mobile app is severely lacking. I hate that I can’t access my bookmarks directly from the new tab page, and that the tablet version doesn’t show you your bookmark bar. The synchronization between mobile and desktop isn’t great either, I’ll have a very long specific search query that I’ve used multiple times on my phone, yet it doesn’t offer it for auto-complete on desktop, I have to search the entire term again or go digging through my history. When you’re searching long model numbers and the like, this is incredibly frustrating.

    Finally, and I don’t know if this is a Firefox issue, but there’s some memory leak that occurs when viewing a webcam stream from my raspberry pi that only has happened in Firefox. The first time I noticed it happening my PC slowed to a crawl, when task manager finally opened Firefox was taking 23GB of RAM. So I have to use chrome to keep that steam open for more than a few minutes at a time.

  • LordCrom@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I never really cared that a browser could load a page in 1.5 seconds instead of 1.9… I mean who cares?

    • filcuk@lemmy.zip
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      2 years ago

      I didn’t care until it consistently loaded faster.
      That’s now my new baseline, and anything slower than ‘instant’ is annoying.
      I would care if that was no longer the case, because I don’t like being constantly annoyed.

      That said, I don’t think the page loading speed is noticeably different between major browsers.
      The addons, customisation, privacy and resource usage are where it’s at.

      I’m just hoping that some competition to chromium stays afloat.

  • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I have been on the firefox train since it was new. I witnessed the rise of Chrome and Chromium, and never really felt the pull, and worried about everyone targeting the same platform. Figured I’d stay on FF until I had no choice. Don’t see myself leaving.

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
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      2 years ago

      Figured I’d stay on FF until I had no choice. Don’t see myself leaving.

      i’m in a similar boat and given the overwhelming majority popular use of chrome, it feels clear to me that firefox will eventually stop working and i wonder what surfing will like like for me in the future.

      i suspect i’ll have to go back to use chrome again.

  • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I’m gonna be honest.

    The main reason I don’t like Firefox is the ui.

    It’s one of those things where I’ve been using chrome for so long that switching to anything else is infuriating. Trying to learn the layout and all the features. Trying to figure out how to do things that are intuitively design on Google.

    If someone made pretty much a 1 to 1 copy of Google without all the bullshit I’d use it in a heartbeat.

    • hungrybread [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Are they? I watch YouTube on Firefox all the time, seems fine on my machine.

      I think maybe 5+ years ago there were some performance issues caused by YT relying on features that were only implemented in Chrome, but I don’t recall having any issues wrt that for years.

      • RoabeArt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I wouldn’t say “completely fucked”, but for a few years I noticed YouTube on Firefox has this occasional quirk where videos will quit playing and infinitely buffer at the exact same timestamp. Like there’s no way around it except skipping about 30 seconds ahead with the seek bar, or doing a Ctrl-F5 (hard refresh) and starting the whole video over. Opera GX doesn’t seem to have this problem at all.

        But it’s still not a big enough deal to make me give up Firefox completely.