• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    Far right: give me absolute power so I can make the country strong!

    Far left: give me absolute power so I can make everyone in the country equal!

    Centrist: Both of these groups are made up of grifters and the rubes that fall for the scam that is ideology. We know from history the problems with ideologies, and only those ignorant of history (whether deliberately or not) fall for bullshit “ideologies” whether they be “left” or “right”.

    In fact the “political spectrum” is just a construct that’s only useful as a shorthand to quickly distinguish between moderate political parties. The complexities of functioning society can’t be reduced to a one dimensional line FFS. People who are tricked into thinking this way are ill-equipped to govern a functioning society. History has shown that the one dimensional political thinkers have failed at governing every time they’ve been given the opportunity to do so.

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        Thanks for providing an example of one dimensional political thinking. Something you disagree with has to be from the opposite end of a made up political spectrum in you mind.

        When in actual fact I want higher taxes on the wealthy, I want trust busting on corporate oligopolies, Keynesian economic policy, more regulation on the private sector, especially in regards to the environment. I come to these preferred policies by actually thinking of the issues, and I have read a history book and know that a violent overthrow of the government is only going to result in some asshole (whether “far left” or “far right”) gaining authoritarian power.

        Only angsty youths think there’s “one simple trick” that’ll solve all problems. Feeds into that need to have angst I suppose.

  • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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    The centrists has their basic needs met and isn’t part of a social group that is threatened so they see both as a waste of tax spending.

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    Maybe I’m the centrist in this scenario, but isn’t that just normal left? I’d expect far left to be like “we are going to exterminate all the rich then give their stuff to everyone else”

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      In the US at least, the entire country is so far right that the position above is actually far left in our political sphere.

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        Haha yeah US is so backwards. And I’m surprised the world hasn’t built a massive wall around us because we literally use God as part of our laws, how many weapons we have stockpiled, how many citizens die from unnecessary violence, how little we care about the homeless.

        And any sort of empathy about any of those problems, even pointing it out, isnt even a discussion point in politics because itll go nowhere fast.

    • SendMePhotos@lemmy.world
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      I also believe I am center… To me it’s more like

      Right: let’s go exterminate races. Left: ACAB, all cops are pieces of shit and deserve life sentences.

      I mean, they aren’t totally equal, but there are better examples.

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            I’m more likely to be assaulted by a cop than helped by one. Or randomly killed while they do triple the speed limit with no siren.

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              I hope someday your feelings of law enforcement can be repaired by them. This is a tragic relationship between people and those that are supposed to protect them.

              I hope law enforcement keeps correcting this, which they should have done themselves but instead it took enormous pressure and numerous occasions of crimes by law enforcement.

              Maybe one day, you won’t have to fell that way.

  • GeneralInterest@lemmy.world
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    Centrist here. I don’t think the point of horseshoe theory is that the far-left and far-right are the same. The point is simply that they have similarities. Like both wanting to use violence to achieve their aims.

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    At this point I’m ok with exterminating the label people. Keep your labels to yourself and try really hard to solve a problem without them.

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    It says something, that securing people’s basic needs is considered “far” left.

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      The joke is this is a meme made by the far left.

      In reality they overspend till the government is soooo weak that their little friends can steal and rob in each and every part of the local government, central government ans government companies.

      At least that’s how it goes in every single country in south America

      Viva noboa Milei and bukele! Fck trump

      Vote left in developed countries

      Vote right in undeveloped countries

      Unfortunately this is the way.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldOP
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      Why would I care about what so-called normal people think? Most of them are boring and care about football far more than about the direction their country is going in.

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          No, I’m posting a meme about politically-aware people, not “normal” people, whatever you think those are.

          I am guessing what you consider “normal” is white, Christian, heterosexual and cisgender as well.

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              So small as to not exist. Because “the center” is actually on the right. The Overton Window has moved very far.

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                Blah blah blah blah blah moving goal posts 🙄

                Whatever your want to believe the center just isn’t as progressive as you like. They aren’t equating Nazis to your softened view is the extreme left.

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    Far left: we’re going to dress in all black and burn buildings down to protest racism of which many of the shops will be locally owned by people of color.

    Far right: we’re going to ravage the civil liberties of every group of people that aren’t white religious old rich people and convince poor white people it’s the patriotic thing to do.

    Centrists: You’re both fucked but one of you is less fucked I guess.

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      You’re both fucked but one of you is less fucked I guess.

      Which one is that? Because moderates are outright refusing to compromise with leftists and progressives. Seems like they prefer fascists.

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        Left is in a pretty clear lead but you won’t find me handing out fliers to spread the word. I’m just watching in paralyzed horror.

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          Maybe if you told moderates they need to start compromising with leftists and progressives a few might listen.

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            Based on the overwhelmingly negative response to the left being criticized I understand why many Centrists stay center. Going either direction just feels morally compromising. I’ll still vote blue because I’m not insane but still, I’d never call myself Democrat.

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              Going either direction just feels morally compromising.

              Supporting unions feels morally compromising? Refusing to send weapons to Israel feels morally compromising? Raising minimum wage feels morally compromising?

              Get real.

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    Well, it’s hard to tell liberals and conservatives apart, mostly because liberalism isn’t left wing, but actually slightly right from centre, and both liberalism and conservativism share some similarities.

    This is what McCarthyism did. It’s the great goal post mover.

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      You don’t have a right either though, at least not a right on the democratic spectrum.

      All you’ve got are “unacceptable” and “fascism”.

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    Is that really ‘far’ left, though? Far left is, “let a handful of governors control everything, on behalf of communal ownership, and they will make sure everyone’s needs are met fairly.”

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      That’s not the far left, that’s Capitalism. The Far Left is for democratic control of Production and working towards a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society via Worker Ownership, whether that be through a state or via Anarchism.

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        I don’t think far left implies statelessness. I know communist governments are not taken as an ideal picture of far left, but I thought far left politics still has state governorship over public ownership?

        You say Worker Ownership, but I thought the thing about ‘left’ versus ‘right’ is a collective ownership (requiring presumably some manner of management) versus individual ownership (that permits capitalism if people have full freedom to trade).

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          The left isn’t necessarily opposed to ownership or freedom to trade. Nor is capitalism just freedom to trade. Capitalism is a set of exploitative property relations based on a fake contract (the employer-employee contract). In this contract, the legal responsibility for the entire result of production is assigned to the employer despite the workers’ joint de facto responsibility for that result. This violates the basic tenet that legal and de facto responsibility match

    • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.world
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      I think the use of “far left” in this meme is based on the labels that right wing media is pushing on the ‘normal’ left.