• werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Also remember that we don’t actually vote for the president. That’s the job of the electoral college. They just want to see if we all guessed it right.

    Hey guess who is the next person to be the president? C’mon tell us! I’m going to guess Biden…I’m going to guess Trump! You are both wrong! The next president is this Gala Apple 🍎 with a worm inside!

    Thanks electoral college! Without you. How could we ever know who You want to rule over us all like a king?

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    7 months ago

    The thing the libs/“moderates”/“centrists” don’t seem to understand is that this vote has long been stollen from leftists by the DNC when they decided not to run a Democratic Primary.

    So for lefties it’s a “choose between Charles Mason and Jack The Ripper” vote: a false choice.

    The only real choice for lefties in this vote is explained by Game Theory:

    • Basically what you have here is a situation with entity A and entity B, that happens in rounds. Entity A chooses how to share something between A and B get, entity B decides to “accept” - in which case they both get their shares as decided by A - or “reject” in which case none of them gets anything.
    • In simplified terms, Entity A is the DNC, Entity B are lefties, including those in the Democrat Party, rounds are the elections and what’s being approprotioned is how much a presidential candidate represents each side.

    What Game Theory tells us in this case, actually backed by scientific experiments carried out with actual humans, is that if Entity A divides things in a very selfish way and Entity B “accepts” rather than choose “reject”, i.e. does not punish Entity A for it even at the cost of a small loss for itself, then in the next round Entity A will divide things in a just as bad or worse way for B.

    It never happens that Entity A, being one that divides the cake in a very selfish way, becomes less selfish in that division after a round were Entity B chose to “accept” that division. The best you can merelly hope for as Entity B if you keep on “accepting” is that Entity A doesn’t become even more selfish in the next round.

    Applied to this very specific situation it means that as long as the lefties keep on accepting the choices of the DNC (who are liberals, backed by campaign contributions from very wealthy people) for who the Democrat Presidential Candidate represents the most, then for each subsequent election the choices of the DNC will be worse and worse for the lefties.

    If you look at the rounds of this “game” so far - each round being an election - this is exactly what has been happenning: the only time the Democrat candidate is ever a little leftwards from the previous one is after after their votes from the left fall, which is generally when the Democrat Party loses an election.

    So the correct choice for anybody on the left who wants a chance to elect a President that is more representative of their views, and that only in a future election (as the present is already lost since the DNC has already made its choice), is to “punish” by not voting (or, even better, voting a third party candidate if they find a suitable one), which does mean the DNC loses its big bet on a guy that pretty much only represents Liberals and even Zionists, even if leftis too will lose whatever tiny bit of “representation” they would get with the not-quite-as-extreme-right presidential candidate chosen by the DNC.

    Do not “punish” and instead “accept” (by voting Biden) and the next round of the game (i.e. the next election) will be the same or worse.

  • seanziepples@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I’m not going to tell anybody what to do or who to vote for but one of two things are very likely to happen at the end of this election:

    • Biden is re-elected. We continue with the status quo. We have a chance to make small incremental steps toward a better future.
    • Trump is elected. Two Supreme Court justices retire and Trump appoints two more. At that point he will have appointed FIVE of NINE Supreme Court justices. We have already seen what they’re willing to do. Imagine what they will do in the literal decades to come.

    Choose what you want to do, but take responsibility for your choice. Vote in your local elections. Big changes can happen from the ground up.

  • billwashere@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Like a real president should, Biden does a lot of things I agree with and some I don’t. I thought Obama was one of the greatest presidents in my lifetime but even he did things I didn’t completely agree with. Would I’d rather have someone like Bernie or AOC in the Oval Office? Absolutely (well except he’s to old and she’s to young). Could we do better than Biden? Also absolutely. What I’d love to see is national ranked choice voting and more like 5-6 candidates. I think this would be better for everyone. But Trump is an existential crisis waiting to happen. I’m not sure this country can withstand another Trump presidency. Frankly I’m not sure my health can either. I literally noticed a significant drop in my BP when Trump left.

    So yeah, you can be critical of Biden and not a Trump supporter. Frankly if you’re not a little critical of any president regardless of party, you’re not in a party, you’re in a cult.

  • WolfLink@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    Not voting for either is a statement that they are equal. That you wouldn’t prefer one over the other.

  • BmeBenji@lemm.ee
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    7 months ago

    I voted for Gary Johnson because Hillary sounded awful in 2016 and I 1000x regret it. Fuck this system for making me choose between bad and worse, but yes obviously I have to choose bad over worse.

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    7 months ago

    Wait, I thought the “point of a system is what it does”

    If your choices lead to a trump presidency I don’t see how your intent matters at all 🤷

  • UBoat237@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 months ago

    Even though I’m a Libertarian in the strictest sense I find this both true and quite funny. DJT is just as bad or worse than Biden. DJT himself has stated that he went to St. James island [aka orgy island] TWICE. It’s just like in sinning against GOD…the first look isn’t sinning, but when you look the 2nd time then it’s a sin. DJT is similar to a DON in a mafia, but he is just the DON of the deep state. The only way to stop Trump is to declare the 2020 election in his favor, HOWEVER since he voluntarily left the oath of office for the Biden admin DJT cannot be legally elected a 3rd term. He would be disqualified.

  • suction@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Ok but what no leftie has yet explained is who has asked them to like Biden? Probably nobody who votes for Biden last time or this time around thinks he’s “teh awesome”, we’re simply grown ups who are able to tell which is the least bad option. Honestly lefties (if they aren’t just groipers posing as lefties) who think it’s a hot take to say Biden isn’t the optimal person to be President are all suffering from Captain Obvious syndrome while thinking they’re the cleverest people ever. It’s cringe.

  • Vespair@lemm.ee
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    7 months ago

    Yeah I remember being 12 and thinking I understood everything too