Looks like the constant insidious propaganda is working as expected.
This data is anything but beautiful. Its horrendously laid out. Not intuitive in the slightest.
That’s on purpose. It’s a conservative opinion piece.
Here in South Korea - Both the liberal and conservative party are very conservative. It wasn’t until 10-15 years ago that women could even be the “leader” of the house. So the delta in conservative/liberal is more likely to do with economic/war policies with the North than much else (since men get conscripted, and North policies is one of the key differentiators between the 2 parties)
Wouldn’t it be men making the decision on conscription policies though? A more liberal / less sexist government would be more likely to bin that.
The key difference I tend to see between men and women’s issues is that men’s issues are often caused by other men in power. Feminism, ironically enough, can also help with a lot of problems disenfranchised men have.
Sorry I’m rambling a bit.
Sooooo yes, everything you said is correct, but there’s a missing piece of context: binning the military would mean binning South Korea as we know it, so nobody (liberal or conservative) is in favor of binning it. The lines are much more murky.
Binning a sexist conscription system is not anything close to “binning the military”
South Korea also has one of the biggest anti-feminism movements in the world. They just eliminated the gender ministry and rolled back protections for women. Not coincidentally, South Korea is Jordan Peterson’s biggest audience outside the US.
The translation of “gender ministry” is completely misleading, I don’t know why they made it that in English because that’s not what it is. In Korean it’s “여성가족부” which means “Woman’s family department”
Oh good, I’m better than the average man in something.
Sad that the bar is so low though
This is only going to increase as men watch their quality of life continue to degrade, while they get ignored at best and blamed for everything at worse. Many men can barely afford to live, let alone even think of the joys of previous generations such as home ownership, having a family, or travelling.
Meanwhile the news is full of victory after victory for women, so of course they’re going to support the status quo more.
Conservatism grows when people are struggling.
Many men can barely afford to live, let alone even think of the joys of previous generations such as home ownership, having a family, or travelling.
Ahh yes, because houses are cheaper for women, obviously. /s
This has nothing to do with the person being a man or woman.
Meanwhile the news is full of victory after victory for women, so of course they’re going to support the status quo more.
That “victory after victory” is in large part just women catching up to existing men’s rights.
Remember that woman who murdered her husband and got probation for it? She stabbed him 100+ times! It happened like a week ago too. I’d consider that a win for women being able to murder people, a loss for men, and a loss for that judge.
Exactly. More lenient sentencing is definitely part of female privilege.
Oh wait, no, I mean part of the horrible misogynist practice of “putting women on a pedestal”, of course. Gotta make sure that we frame all of the privilege that being a woman brings as actually just more evidence of how bad men are!
Then why arent feminists protesting for more prison time?
Just today there was a story on the front page of a male domestic abuse survivor who tried to start up a shelter for men, who eventually killed himself because he got treated like shit for it.
Now compare that to resources allocated for women victims of domestic abuse.
1 in 4 women are victims of it, while 1 in 6 men are so its not like its not a huge issue for us either. We went from a society that didnt treat abuse as an issue for anyone to one that has, yet having nothing to support us is “catching up” in your books?
Leftism is not the status quo in the slightest. Men currently are far more privledged than women.
Victory for women? Like how they are losing their reproductive rights and going to jail for miscarriages in America?
Poor oppressed men. The fact that their side piece can’t get an abortion anymore must really get them down.
This. This is exactly why this stupid gap exists, because of shitty people like you.
“Treat everyone equally” except men fuck them apparently.
You’re assuming a lot things there bubba.
You were pretty clear in your comment bro. Did you mean something else and it came out wrong?
Have you considered not being a hateful piece of shit. People like you are why the blue graphs have the direction they have. You would do well to consider whether declaring half the population as evil for no other reason than their gender, can ever lead to a successful result.
There certainly is a hateful piece of shit in this thread, but it’s not me.
But I’m sure if you just keep externalizing instead of working on yourself, things will magically fix themselves for you!
What have i said to deserve your hostile response to me previously? You derided and mocked me simply for sharing how i feel on the issue, when i never said anything negative about women.
I hate simple 1 dimensional representations of politics. I’m not a conservative, and as a Mutualist, I also am not a Liberal.
That’s cool. I’m also a Mutant.
Perpetuates the false dichotomy of a linear political spectrum of either liberal or conservative and that in and of itself is one of the reasons for these trends. Liberalism has nothing to offer men. Leftism does.
You might as well be asking men how much they are willing to sacrifice for others vs. look after their own interests. When the inequality gap widens and the majority live below average economically, don’t you think people will tend to become more selfish? That’s all these charts show.
Conservatism is essentially synonymous with patriarchy and on a very shallow level, it’s easy to see how men would choose that over the status quo. That will surely be better for men than this slow attrition of status that comes with ever increasing wealth concentration. This isn’t true but it is an obvious conclusion.
The real question, which this survey completely ignores, conveniently, is what we should all be doing together to better the status quo for all. Because I believe almost everyone except a small and shrinking fraction agrees that current trends are not working for anyone.
Perpetuates the false dichotomy of a linear political spectrum of either liberal or conservative and that in and of itself is one of the reasons for these trends
the graph explicitly takes 1 dimension of the spectrum to look at it in isolation. This is exactly what single graphs do best.
which this survey completely ignores, conveniently
have you looked at the source of the graph?
Fuck them for calling the left liberal. Liberals are the people who sell schools, hospitals, and social services to the lowest bidding private enterprise. A solidly right wing ideology that puts profit over people.
This data is poorly presented and unclear. It may well have some really useful insights, but it’s definitely not beautiful.
This is an opinion piece they are really really reaching with.
Conservatives have been running this for a few days now but it just doesn’t add up. At least for the US it flies in the face of all published polling, including what they claim as sources. Unless you look at Gen Z men skewing independent and take that as them becoming more conservative because you only see the political spectrum as D/I/M.
But that’s not what being an independent means. It isn’t a party. It’s literally not having a party.
I forgot to add, there’s also the Roe effect. The overturning of Roe has pushed women left in the US.
I think what’s more interesting from those charts isn’t just the divergence between genders - it’s that (with the obvious exception of S Korea - what on earth is going on in that country??) men’s attitudes have slightly trended more conservative whereas women’s attitudes have radically changed to more liberal.
From what little I know it has to do with them coming from a more conservative point in recent history. But women are fast tracking feminism. Men never got the message and still expected their wife to do the traditional stuff so women stopped marrying.
So now there’s a big reactionary movement.
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Looks like I need to move to the UK
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So what this is saying is that women are going to save our collective asses.
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Maybe the fact that conservative governments erode the rights of women?
I think that’s probably the biggest driver the last 10 years.
A FUCKTONNE of women I know became a hell of a lot less conservative when Roe Vs Wade was overturned.
Maybe the fact that conservative governments erode the rights of women?
Do they really? I know about stuff in the US, but what about the other countries. At least for Germany I can say that in the last 10 years I can’t really recall anything where the government tried to worsen women’s rights.
Herdprämie.
The constitutional court axed the whole thing because it’s outside of the jurisdiction of the federation, Bavaria, and only Bavaria then went ahead and made it state law. They also consistently score worst when it comes to access to abortions.
That’s the CSU though, the CDU had lots of high-ranking women at that time which explains why they weren’t pushing things into that direction. And the whole republic ridiculed vdL for trying to get rid of Vatertag, rightly so.
Yeah, I remember that, but I wouldn’t call that worsening women’s rights, it was something completely optional and if at all only highlighted existing sexism. It was more or less a susidy for families that didn’t sent their kids to kindergarten, the law didn’t state which parent had to take care of the children or anything like that. There was criticism that children wouldn’t grow up around other children and that it would hold women back in their careers because it would most likely be the mother who stays at home, but that’s not the fault of the law. And similar programs exist in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, and generally people consider those countries as progressive.
Regarding abortions one law making it hard to access was the ridiculous § 219a StGB and that was abolished in 2022. The other problem is that doctors can’t be forced to perform abortions. The problem in general here is religious groups.
Compared to America, most conservative German politicians are damn near moderates.
I know for a fact that they would be called ‘damn libruhls’ by nearly every republicunt they shared their policy ideals with.
It’s so ridiculous, last year some politicians from the CSU visited De Santis. They regularly copy talking points from the US, which make absolutely no sense. They even tried the “drag queens are groomers” thing, but it didn’t catch on. Next they’ll probably try to ban books or some other bullshit like that.
A FUCKTONNE of women I know became a hell of a lot less conservative when Roe Vs Wade was overturned.
Now if only they would vote like it…
Republicans also gained support from a higher share of women compared with previous elections: 48% of women voters cast ballots for GOP candidates in 2022 while 51% favored Democrats. In 2018, 40% voted for Republicans while 58% supported Democrats.
For further context, the Dobbs decision was June 2022…
Women have always saved the world
And I don’t like how sparse the data points are but they went with a wobbly interpolated curve anyway.
