• kinther@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    If your LAN is already compromised with a rogue DHCP server, you’ve got bigger problems than them intercepting just VPN traffic. They can man in the middle all of your non-encrypted traffic. While this is bad, it’s not a scenario most people will run into.

  • dgmib@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    So for this attack to work, the attacker needs to be able to run a malicious DHCP server on the target machine’s network.

    Meaning they need to have already compromised your local network either physically in person or by compromising a device on that network. If you’ve gotten that far you can already do a lot of damage without this attack.

    For the average person this is yet another non-issue. But if you regularly use a VPN over untrusted networks like a hotel or coffee shop wifi then, in theory, an attacker could get your traffic to route outside the VPN tunnel.

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      5 months ago

      Put another way, this means that a malicious coffee shop or hotel can eavesdrop on all VPN traffic on their network. That’s a really big fucking deal.

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        5 months ago

        Not all VPN traffic. Only traffic that would be routable without a VPN.

        This works by tricking the computer into routing traffic to the attacker’s gateway instead of the VPN’s gateway. It doesn’t give the attacker access to the VPN gateway.

        So traffic intended for a private network that is only accessible via VPN (like if you were connecting to a corporate network for example) wouldn’t be compromised. You simply wouldn’t be able to connect through the attacker’s gateway to the private network, and there wouldn’t be traffic to intercept.

        This attack doesn’t break TLS encryption either. Anything you access over https (which is the vast majority of the internet these days) would still be just as encrypted as if you weren’t using a VPN.

        For most people, in most scenarios, this amount to a small invasion of privacy. Our hypothetical malicious coffee shop could tell the ip addresses of websites you’re visiting, but probably not what you’re doing on those websites, unless it was an insecure website to begin with. Which is the case with or with VPN.

        For some people or some situations that is a MASSIVE concern. People who use VPNs to hide what they’re doing from state level actors come to mind.

        But for the average person who’s just using a VPN because they’re privacy conscious, or because they’re location spoofing. This is not going to represent a significant risk.

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      5 months ago

      This is the primary reason folks use VPNs - to protect themselves on public networks. I would say it’s definitely not a non-issue.

  • Optional@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    there are no ways to prevent such attacks except when the user’s VPN runs on Linux or Android.

    So . . . unix? Everything-but-Windows?

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      5 months ago

      Maybe it affects BSD and MacOS.

      It also can affect some Linux systems based on configuration. Android doesn’t implement the exploited standard at all and is always immune.

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      5 months ago

      Everything-but-Windows?

      No. Any device that implements a certain DHCP feature is vulnerable. Linux doesn’t support it, because most Linux systems don’t even use DHCP at all let alone this edge case feature. And Android doesn’t support it because it inherited the Linux network stack.

      I would bet some Linux systems are vulnerable, just not with the standard network packages installed. If you’re issued a Linux laptop for work, wouldn’t be surprised if it has a package that enables this feature. It essentially gives sysadmins more control over how packets are routed for every computer on the LAN.

  • adam_y@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    “There are no ways to prevent such attacks except when the user’s VPN runs on Linux or Android.”

    So there are ways.

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          5 months ago

          Do you know how to make it so all the host’s traffic is sent through the VPN namespace? I couldn’t figure out how to do this so I ended up just writing my own firewall. Network namespaces seems like a better solution.

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              5 months ago

              No worries, and thanks for providing a response nonetheless. I’ll look into your suggestion when I have the time. The official Wireguard website also had some guide on network namespaces here but afaik it didn’t explain how to set it up persistently

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    5 months ago

    To execute this you need a DHCP server on the network… But any admin worth his salt has a config on the switch to limit DHCP traffic to a designated server.

    Seems extremely difficult to pull off in any corporate environment

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        5 months ago

        For shits and giggles I used to sit on those wifis and run a mitm…I would replace all images with the troll face meme…then sit back and watch the confusion. So ya