• lugal@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Putting the right guy in power never worked historically since power corrupts. The power structure is the problem. That’s one of the core ideas of anarchism

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      7 months ago

      Wasn’t a big part of the Jedis’ problem their standoffishness?

      Far from wielding power, they played at peacemaker and diplomat long after open war had erupted, resorted to questionably sourced mercenaries to do their dirty work, and relied enormously on prophecy to save them without properly understanding what it implied.

      “Too Little, Too Late” might as well have been the motto of the late Jedi Order.

      The power structure is the problem.

      The lack of structure was a recurring problem for The Old Republic and the Jedi Order. The Trade Federation’s greed went unchecked early on, because the Jedi-as-space-cops presented no material threat. The Senate routinely dithered in the face of adversity, as it was easily subverted by staling tactics and backstabbing. No standing military meant a reliance on an assortment of killer robots, mercenaries, clones, and bureaucrats-turned-shock-troops, none of whom proved to be particularly reliable.

      Far from “power corrupts” as the theme of the Prequels, I might argue the real moral was “power abhors a vacuum”. If you’re not willing to occupy the center of political gravity, someone else will.

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      7 months ago

      I mean, it has worked historically, just extremely rarely. Singapore was one such recent example.

      The issue is that people die and the next person usually fucks everything up again.

      Anarchy has similar issues.

      The real problem is just us; humans.

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        7 months ago

        That’s the next core idea: power structures attract the wrong people. Take Stalin who was worse than Lenin. Lenin had benevolent ideas but got corrupted, Stalin took that position with bad intentions from the start.

        Fatalism only serves the status quo.

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          7 months ago

          It’s not fatalism, but fact. Humans are the real issue. We weren’t biologically evolved to deal with such large groups, along with certain other DNA quirks.

          That said, with technology and/or time such a flaw could be fixed so that we either are able to overcome our biological shortcomings, and/or technology allows us to achieve structure without hierarchy while also preventing hierarchy from springing up as well.

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            7 months ago

            I don’t even know where to start. At least understand that this is beyond the realm of facts. And there is a reason, anarchists try to keep things on low levels, in small groups, as far as possible and build “communities of communities” bottom up. I don’t understand how technology is supposed to help there but there are structures that prevent hierarchies already.

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              7 months ago

              It helps with self sustainability, communication, lowering costs of needs, efficiency, etc.

              Renewables for example decrease the reliance on government significantly for example.

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      7 months ago

      It’s also one of the main ideas behind the American constitution but we try to regulate power with checks and balances but because it’s kinda hard to understand having multiple leaders that rule over different parts of the government and make sure no one gets corrupt people over time seem to have only given a shit about who is in charge of the military and now we have presidents that can effect normal citizens by enacting laws and are unanimously considered our leader