White Nationalists #nazis showed up in Kamloops today to protest ahead of Truth and Reconciliation Day.
“there’s dozens of them”
perhaps two dozen by my count!
Seriously though I hate that these cunts are everywhere. Not many presently but I suspect it’s a drip / trickle / flow thing. They grab on to genuine social problems and distort them to match their own ends.
They need to be met by an opposing show of force less this cancer spread.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but it can kinda fan the flames.
Most extremist groups use persecution, real or imagined, as a recruitment tool. Opposing these minority, extremist groups makes the people on their fringes feel isolated and pushes them towards the group.
An opposing protest isn’t going to change the minds that need to be changed.
I’m not necessarily saying it’s the wrong thing to do, just that it’s not really clear cut.
The racist reactionaries are gonna do all that stuff anyway, with or without opposition. The racists will fan their own flames; it is useless to consider what will or will not set them off. See Obama wearing a tan suit or Mandani handing someone who handed someone else a pen.
Societal pressure should be used to let these kinds of people know they are unwelcome and a fringe minority. People are social creatures and less likely to join widely unpopular groups.
The minds that need to be changed aren’t the already racist bigoted people, but instead the people sliding down the pipeline. Consistent opposition is great for that because it can give pause to those on the pipeline and make joining the racists unappealing.
Consistent opposition is great for that because it can give pause to those on the pipeline and make joining the racists unappealing
Actually it’s the opposite.
It makes “joining the racists” unappealing to the vast majority of people, but these groups are not trying to recruit the rational majority of people.
The opposition is used by these extremist groups to make the individuals they’re trying to recruit feel isolated and persecuted by society at large. It’s a well documented recruitment tactic. Literally part of the pipeline you’re talking about.
I’m going to say something a bit radical here. If they are even thinking about joining a group like this, then they are already gone and not worth talking to anymore…
I don’t think people “think about joining” a group like this the way someone thinks about joining a sports team or book club.
There will always be people on the fringe who are not too far gone.
“Persecution” of the minority is always a recruitment tool.
Okay, idea for someone else: The counter-counter-protest all show up in clown and jester outfits, with big painted smiles and everything. Juggling, pulling rolls of coloured ribbon out of their mouths, the whole 9 yards.
Just laugh and laugh and laugh at the stupid clowns…
Gotta admire the amount of sociopathic genetic and socioeconomic factors that play into an enduring force behind slavery and colonialism on full display in USA and Canada. To fight a war to keep slavery that led to millions of deaths shows that their whole identity as a human is based on their ability to inflict harm and suffering on other humans to the point to die to preserve that institution of suffering.
Hopefully these fuckers get outted.
There’s a group like that in Southern Ontario that call themselves NS-13, or Nationalist 13
They’ve had a few get togethers showing off their banners, but only ever last about 15 minutes before they fuck off or police show up.
And not a one of them looks in the least bit imposing. Do you think they go home at night, look in the mirror, and feel inadequate? I bet they do.
It should be legal for anyone to punch a nazi.
With a baseball bat. Right in the nose.
weird their protest sign is just a black man
I’m probably getting wooshed, but that’s a Canadian crosswalk sign.
It really looks like a sign being held up among the flags
It really does! I had to zoom in…
The Big Three news outlets in Canada pretty much ignored this story until the Kamloops local paper and social media picked it up. Now they’re all over it, pretending they were there first.
And they’re all missing the crucial point.
Second Sons are working very hard to stick to the rule of law, while instilling fear. They’re showing up in groups like this in smaller communities. They’re not in Calgary or Toronto or Vancouver, they’re north of Edmonton, or Orillia or Millarville.
They show up, dress to intimidate, act to intimidate, but don’t actually threaten. They post overt dogwhistle slogans, “Je me souviens d’un Quebec blanc” or “Indian trucks kill canucks”) which they could plausibly explain away as something else, if forced to stand on trial.
They’re getting bolder, which means they’re going to try to goad their victims into acting. They’ll obey the RCMP or local police (if the force is sufficient) without hesitation because as long as they keep showing up, as long as they keep scaring people, as long as they are able to avoid consequences for their actions, they’ll be able to hurt some people and recruit others.
They need to be driven out by the people every time they show their…well not faces, but cowardly masks. They need to be not shot or injured, but maybe detained until the police can unmask and identify them by name.
We need to publish their names. We need (and I can’t believe I would ever say this) to doxx them - to make them fear for their lives if they keep threatening society.
We need to break the back of their movement, and the media isn’t helping one goddamn bit.
Rachel Gilmore does fantastic journalist coverage and a great job of calling out specific names and people associated with it. She has been threatened quite brazenly for it, but she’s also a badass that continues to do it. We need more Rachels.
Does that guy really have shorts with FAP written on his dick???
I hope the RCMP takes this seriously but knowing cops makes me think they’re more apt to protect the fascists from anyone who tries to interfere with their intimidation tactics. I sincerely hope I’m wrong though, this shit is pathetic and needs to stop.
Imagine refusing so hard to take responsibility for your own life that you will blame all minorities instead of looking in a fucking mirror.
In their defense, it is hard to look in a mirror when you have a white hood on.
They should grab up all of those nazi’s and force them into a federal re-education camp! Also, sterilize each and every one of them! Maybe they won’t be so quick to protest once they’ve learned a bit of history.
We need these guys identified a.s.a.p.
Racism is the ideology of the moron
Society works because human evolution happens at the rate of learning and communicating new behaviors – exponentially faster and more effective than genetic evolution. The human genome has changed exceptionally little for hundreds of thousands of years, and so called “race” is the fantasy nonsense that its somehow possible to tell the contents of a person’s mind just by the light bouncing of their skin.
I don’t think its enough to call it stupid, we gotta start attacking the root assumptions that drive the ideology.
But I like calling them big dumb doo-doo heads.
Your way requires reading and shit.Sure, but how do you stop a moron from perpetuating their destructive stupidity?
It’s about their capacity to understand and behave reasonably. We got a long way to go.
You start with education. It’s not enough to just negate something (“racism bad”) you gotta replace it with a different idea. Otherwise it just sprouts back up. You would not believe the number of well meaning teenagers who’ve told me eugenics is actually a good idea if we could just do selective breeding programmes without the racism.
I do agree it starts with education, but I think we need to tackle more of a fundamental element of teaching people how to be a reasonable human that isn’t so easily jerked around by their base emotions. Otherwise stupid ideas will still reach and resonate with stupid people and the danger of creating a moron is still high.
It seems like, in a way, you’re suggesting that I’m over-simplifying the issue but I think you’ve misunderstood me, and it’s ironic that I’m suggesting that your idea is the one that doesn’t go far enough.
Screaming about masks during Covid, hiding behind them during MAGA. So brave.
Sorry, this is Canada, eh?
I’m willing to bet many of them are supporters of the orange moron too.
Bad news, MAGA is totally in Canada. that’s what wexit is about. americans are funding the propaganda driving wexit
Racism: when you try swindling others into giving you something only because of your skin colour, family name, or slang.
What a bunch of cowards
