Crossposted from https://thebrainbin.org/m/[email protected]/t/1945027
A small town in eastern Germany banned the installation of new Holocaust memorial plaques that mark the last known residence or workplace of Jews and other victims of the genocide.
The motion was proposed by the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) and the centre-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU)…



https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mass_killings_under_communist_states&oldid=1376650459#Estimates
I do not believe you have done that yourself.
I did, and you have ignored it.
Lol. Any real sources on tens of millions of deaths under soviet rule?
You think mass killing is funny?
Go to the footnotes in the link I posted.
Look mang you really have been kinda disingenuous and frankly incurious.
You need to look into the methodology used in the black book of communism, the lengths they went to tack on as many zeroes as possible, the fact that they include German nazi soldier deaths from ww2 as part of the numbers alone - does that really not make you feel like… a little curious as to the angle? Its use as a propaganda piece? Can you be as critical of the millions of deaths attributed to capitalism? Imperialism? Do you levy such criticisms… ever?
“their evil communist propaganda, our good and noble capitalist truth”
I do hope you look into the origins of “whataboutism” like the other posters said, if you can stop your knees from jerking for but a moment. Speaking human to human here.
I think they’re funny when they only exist in the imaginations of people like you, lmfao.
Right, so no sources.
Sheer denialism.
Which source is reputable? Calling unborn Nazis victims of the soviet union is laughable at best.
“Unborn Nazis” is literally what the black book of communism is calling victims of communism, you should do some more research before you remove comments, mod.
Why should I list them all for you, when I’ve already linked to the article that does so? Here are just a few:
Calling an unborn person a Nazi is about as offensive as it gets. Blocked.
I dunno if you know this, but the black book of communism features unborn Nazi Germans as victims of communism, it’s fine that you’ve blocked me, I’m sure you’ll learn this along your journey, but the fact that you just copy paste Wikipedia sources and then run away is very funny, lmao.
I want to preface this by saying I am in near complete agreement with you and appreciate your comments in this thread. But the “unborn Nazi’s” thing is more than a little offputting, and I understand why whatever mod decided to remove your other comment containing that term did so.
Even if it is not how you intended it, phrasing it as “unborn Nazis” implies that an unborn person can be Nazi. They can’t. Nazism is something that a person is infected with only after they have the cognitive apparatus to absorb and host ideology. Using the phrase as you did makes it sound like you think that the offspring of Nazis must also inherently be Nazis. That would be a rather vile belief, which is why I don’t think you actually meant it that way, but nevertheless it is how that phrase comes across. It wouldn’t be above the liberals or Nazis themselves to claim such a thing, but I really don’t think even they would do so in this case because it’s contrary to the kind of picture they’re trying to paint with all their lies in the Black Book. They want people to think it was only smol bean innocents that were “victims” of communism and try to obscure the fact that it was literal Nazis targeted by the Soviets, and they want to obscure the fact that their numbers are made up of many potential aka unborn people. So when you use that phrase, it does sound like you believe “any spawn of Nazis must also be Nazis” which ironically is a very Nazi kind of thing to believe.
Anyway, I understand what you were getting at over all, and I’m in agreement with it. But I think pointing out your wording there is a fair nit to pick out of the rest of your otherwise good commentary.
Does it? I thought it was only unborn soviets, chinese? (counted because people don’t have kids during a famine) and nazis killed by the soviets.
bro just copied random citations from the article and calls it a day
Lib pocket-sand
https://lemmy.ml/comment/28031524
Respond to this you actual fucking fascist coward
Coward
Stalin killed trillions with his comically sized spoon by eating all the grain of Ukraine
Blocked. Genocide denial crosses the line.
The 1932–33 famine was not a genocide by any stretch of the imagination, except in the imagination of the Banderite fascists, who coined the term holomodor in the 1980s to evoke comparison to the Holocaust. But they are not comparable, because 1) the famine wasn’t intentional, and 2) more people died per capita in other parts of the Soviet Union than in Ukraine, and in particular more per capita in Russia proper than in Ukraine. The notion started as fascist, anti-communist double genocide propaganda, and you’re still propagating it today, over a generation after the fall of the Soviet Union.
I remember seeing this sourced some times, but I haven’t been able to find a good one myself. Would you happen to have one?
No, not offhand. You might check with Parenti’s, Losurdo’s, or Grover Furr’s works.
After some looking I found this but I can’t access the entire article and it is from Bezos’ bible.
There’s also this but I have yet to read beyond the abstract.
And this article critiques the methodology behind the “7-10 million dead” number, putting it at 3-4 million instead.
Yeah, I was just hoping you had a good one. Let me know if you want a bunch of bookmarks.
Given that most serious genocide scholars regard the Holodomor as a genocide, you’re simply wrong.
The double genocide article you posted links to the Holomor denial article, which describes your behaviour:
‘Holodomor denial is easily distinguished from serious scholarship, and “generally consists of especially vitriolic anti-Western and anti-Ukrainian tirades,” often accompanied by accusations of foreign influence, Nazi sympathies, or ulterior motives.’
Blocked. Genocide denial crosses the line.
Yes, many “serious” scholars in the imperial core regard it as a genocide, but outside of that minority, scholars around the world do not.
Welcome to Lemmy, your first exposure to voices outside of the capitalist/imperialist echo chamber that most of us had ever been exposed to.
Thanks for the reminder that I’m old as fuck.
Since you’re so fond of wikipedia articles
Why do you insist on downplaying the holocaust?
linking to a wikipedia article and calling Holodomor a genocide is fucking pathetic of you. It’s just double genocide theory which is a form of genocide trivialization and undermines the severity that genocide carries
Lmao this guy trusts wikipedia as an unbiased source on political questions.