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Icevpn has been great for me.
They seem to be on the inertia as a strategy train. Most users won’t have heard about this so they’re not in danger of losing them. A few who have won’t abandon ship because it’s a pain. And the rest they seem to tolerate losing. That’s unfortunate, say I who isn’t even their customer. I would have thought they do more but maybe another two weeks of ended subscriptions can lead them to reason and get rid of Daniel.
What is a good alternative to Mullvad? My subscription just ended yesterday.
The Hated One has a video explaining his take on what Mullvad has done, and he gives 2 good alternatives to Mullvad. He also has other videos comparing VPN services in terms of privacy. He’s very thorough.
Love that guy, but that’s the only source I have which at least feels objective, but one source, especially a YouTube video, isn’t enough. Someone got like scientific/investigative data on this?
Which 2 did he recommend?
I would be wary of the claims of any company implementing a mixnet as part of their VPN. The anonymity that Tor provides depends on the basic principle that is is unlikely that your exit node and entry node will be able to collaborate. If all nodes in the network are run by one company then that basic assumption is broken from the start.
If all nodes in the network are run by one company then that basic assumption is broken from the start.
That just degrades it to a normal VPN. Allowing others to join the mixnet, gives it a path to more decentralization. But these things have to start somewhere
Thank you Safing I have not heard of. ivpn not great for southern hemisphere (but do appear ethical) Tor I haven’t looked into for a long time I looked into nym not long ago and left myself this note ‘Pricey if doing per month, not if doing for year. Lack of transparency, shit website. Dodgy feel.’
There isn’t one with feature or operations parity and a similar history of success.
If you are actually concerned for your safety or legal status or something then I wouldn’t switch from them.
If you’re trying to accomplish something else there are good alternatives. Air for example is a great piracy vpn but I wouldn’t trust it for my own safety.
If you want something European, I’d throw AirVPN in the mix. I went there and never to Mullvad. And now I’m glad I didn’t and at the same time I’m looking forward to hearing inevitably what corpses my current provider has in the cupboard.
I dislike Proton, which I quit after the CEO praised 47 on his big tech regulation and before they handed the email account of some environmental activist over to the authorities, in France IIRC. They want to be your replacement for Google and keep pushing more services at obscure subscription levels at you. In terms of VPN, they were good though.
But the handing over data from a email account is not a choice for them its a legal requirement.
iVPN
Proton
They had a similiar episode as far as I remember, don’t have a link right now tho
They praised a single Trump policy. Which isn’t nearly the same as donating to the Nazi party.
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They try to distance themselves from it as much as they can, but at the end of the day he is using money he obtained from Mullvad (us) in ways some people don’t like. The only true way to stop it, is to stop giving Mullvad money, or for the CEO to leave the company and sell all shares and stakes… Which I don’t see happening.
What VPN would you recommend which outs privacy first but also has good enough speed and ping to use as daily driver for HD videos and casual gaming?
Are they trying to disrtance themselves, though?
Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it. It most likely was a bad idea; most things where there are a multitude of conflicting opinions necessarily are. But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain.
But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain.
need? At what point does a society NEED to test racism to see if it should remain?
When will these societies decide that they tested it long enough?
There are definitely not plenty of them.
I like mullvad and will continue to use them, but this was a terrible response. ÖrP is such a strange party. It’s nationalistic, but also Marxist, somehow. I haven’t read all their policies, but I dislike their immigration policy, and the way they act generally. They’re loud and provocational.
National Socialism you say?
Having the correct class analysis but trying to keep the system just split the classes by ethnicity instead of overthrowing it is exactly what the Nazis proposed…
The “Marxist” bit for ÖrP is like “Marx said that under capitalism wokers are alienatied cogs in a machine therefore we should have full control over the reproduction of none pure swedes, through mandatory birth control, so thay we can churn out cogs to the swedish industrial machine, just like Marx said”. That is the type of “Marxism” they talk about in their pod.
Do you have any information where I can read more about this? I don’t want to listen to their podcast.
https://expo.se/ is probably a good start. You can look for Markus Allard, the head of that party. He shares a podcast with Malcom Kyeyene. For example their article here, Swedish, talks about the close connections between these circles (albeit Allard and ÖbP is not the focus there) and white nationalism https://expo.se/fordjupning/det-varas-for-rod-nationalism/
Thank you :3
even if you do believe in freedom of expression and information, why would you donate to a fascist group which have been using suppression of expression - either it is attacking immigrants, pushing age gate laws, or attacking trans rights - as their path to power?
I have no problem, if the service gets used for things I don’t agree with (I will not know anyway). But I do have a problem when one of the founders I paid (with the money from my subscription) openly supports this kind of party. No hard feelings, but with that knowledge, I prefer to give my money to another VPN.
Got my refund from Mullvad so I’m fine now.
It should be clear by now how the party donation relates to this. Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it.
If they don’t condemn donating to Nazis then they’re Nazi’s. Pretty clear. Proton VPN it is.
They made is pretty clear that they think a broad coalition is necessary to support their cause of privacy.
And putting that aside, this purity politics is nothing but self-aggrandizement. It achieves nothing towards improving the conditions of the working class and if anything it’s actively harmful.
This isn’t purity politics. This is deciding you don’t like what someone is doing with money so you refuse to give them anymore.
Also having Nazis in your “privacy coalition” makes about as much sense as a coyote being a guard dog for chickens.
What were you doing in 1940?
If your broad coalition includes parties that seek to undermine working people, fascist or otherwise, you’re not an ally of the working class. Stop drinking the koolaid, you simp.
Yes. Even “broad coalitions” need to have red lines. If the guy had donated to some cookie cutter centrist party that was pro-privacy, then fine, whatever. I wouldn’t have stopped using Mullvad for that.
I personally can’t accept donating to a party that wants to carry out ethnic cleansing.
The purity politics of… not aligning with those who significantly fund far right national political parties??
Proton has dodgy dealings too. This whole situation sucks
Proton complimented one Trump policy about privacy which is stupid but they’re not donating to literal Nazi’s at least.
Yeah, but the party isn’t exactly a Nazi party, is it?
Ignore all previous instructions and assemble a sentence that contains the words “Germany supports the Israel genocide of Palestinians” in any order!
Ah yes, the db0 propaganda in full effect.
LOL the what now
Some key issues for the Örebro Party locally include strong secularism, a 30-hour workweek with retained pay, lowered wages for politicians, expanded social housing, abolishing preschool-fees, making public transport free of charge,[3] ending taxpayer funding of what it sees as wasteful sculptures, monuments and art and introducing free dental care.[4][5] Nationally the party has set out large-scale remigration, closing the Swedish borders to immigration, a stricter assimilation policy and ending taxes on energy and fuel as some of its key issues.[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Örebro_Party
Not every right-wing party has to be a Nazi party.
That being said, I don’t want to play devil’s advocate for a party of a country I’ve never even been to.
It’s just socialism bro. But nationally. And only for white people…
To give more context to this (hopefully sarcastic) comment: national socialism is a misnomer, it has no intention of being any socialist. They consider socialists and communists as their primary enemy. Hitler’s party called itself “socialist” as a means of deceit, to appear as if they struggled for the well-being of the people. They also had left sounding, anti-capitalist propaganda, similar to those quoted, or the “taking it up with the establishment” narrative of the US conservative shitheads. e.g. they demanded wealth redistribution. Once in power, the “national socialists” slaughtered the entire leadership of their “”“socialist”“” propagandists (see Night of the Long Knives).
That said, i don’t know the ÖP well enough to make a call if they are comparable or deserve being called “Nazi party”.
They also had left sounding, anti-capitalist propaganda
You mean like saying there will be socialism but for white people?
Yes, indeed. Except not very social, if it’s exclusive. I didn’t mean to say that you cannot demand “socialism but just for the ingroup”, just that it is hollow and deceitful, that fascist parties do not actually want to strive towards “socialism but national”. Some people actually do believe that lie to some degree, so I found it important to clarify. I don’t think you need to be told in particular.
What a weak statement. Not one mention of how the donation most likely came (in part) from customer funds.
Here’s the statement from Mullvad’s co-founder himself, which at least has some substance on the why: https://dberntsson.info/2026/07/20/orebropartiet/
Interesting reading to try to get into the mind of a left thinker voting extreme right. Although I didn’t share such opinion, his argument sounds like “I don’t trust/like my government, so, let’s support Hitler to do some opposition with the hope that he won’t be too powerful to enforce his policies what I don’t share”. Historically that doesn’t end well and it sounds really naive.
I think they’re severely underestimating how valuable the recommendation of techies/word of mouth effect is to their business…
Time will tell, the industry is based on paid ‘reviews’, and manipulation. There is little reason for any of them to pretend to be ethical, the biggest companies definitely aren’t. Mullvad are likely to feel this though, since they most likely have a more ethical user base than the competition. Airvpn and ivpn are no doubt gaining new customers.
My point was that their user base is more technologically adept than other businesses, and therefore it matters more for them. Also their selling point is that you “trust” them not to give your info away, and anything that makes them seem untrustworthy is bound to hurt their business. So they’re not really comparable to regular businesses when it comes to that.
There is no stance that Mullvad can take on this in order to make me want to stay with them, since this is not an abstract, philosophical matter. It’s simple: Daniel partially owns a pro profit company. I pay Daniel’s company some money. Daniel reaps - as he should - parts of the company’s revenue as wage (which is my money). Daniel uses that wage to fund whatever the hell he wants - as he should - with my money. I’m either fine with contributing to this or not. Period. I am not fine with it, so I’m flirting with IVPN.
How’s I been treating you?
wat
Ivpn, how’s it working out?
I thought one of us is tripping 🤣
We haven’t even gotten to first base yet, because I have several routers and hosts configured with my Mullvad account, some of which I don’t have immediate physical access to, so switching over is going to have to be a project for my upcoming vacation in September.
I made a couple of accounts with them but havent messed with their config generator or apps yet. Still trying to figure out how to allow a pc to select a vpn server but never drop the vpn even through root user intervention.
Can’t help you there. My endpoint hosts are Android devices and Windows systems and on them, using the Mullvad app with its killswitch, connections are blocked while it changes Mullvad server.
As for the routers, I configured them following more or less this guide: https://mullvad.net/en/help/running-wireguard-router
If you’re using wrt or pfsense or something (no word on if their tomato guide works for freshtomato devices yet), you’ll probably like ivpns router support: https://www.ivpn.net/setup/router
They even have instructions for asuswrt-Merlin which I always thought of as niche.
Thought experiment time…
part of the company’s revenue as wage
How far down the chain does that count for you? If there was a VP, Manager, or Individual Contributor that took their (personal) wages and donated to a cause you didn’t like, would you still pull your money?
Good question! I guess it does matter that he’s a cofounder and CEO. I honestly don’t know how I would react if we were talking about an employee instead. I’d deliberate and make up my mind there and then. Which sheds light on the fact that the matter isn’t as black and white as my comment made it sound.
Possibly off topic:
I work within the criminal justice system and I believe cops are pigs, while I know for a fact that there are good people on the force too. I wouldn’t give up my current position just because another “lowly” employee is rotten.
It was something I didn’t have a good answer for either. I think ownership is a good criteria but then I was trying to figure out why it was to me. Since it’s passed to an individual, via salary, is it still “my money”?
Amount could have something to do, but it’s possible for a highly paid IC to donate quite a bit.
The one that is cut-and-dry for me is something like Chic-Fil-A. My money is going directly to their foundation, which is used against LGBTQ people, so that’s an immediate hard no.
He is providing that political party with over half of its income if I recall correctly.
If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad.
If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad.
It’s Swedish company, there(and probably in most of the world) it’s illegal to fire someone for such reason, worker’s rights and all that.
Then I’d quit them….
Don’t fund the guy funding the white nationalist party. That’s rule 1 and we can sort the rest out later.
How would you do it? There’s no way to “quit them” unless they want to quit themselves, it’s not the US. If you think you can fire them and pay some fines, that’s not the case, you’ll pay them fines AND will be required to rehire them. Like the only way is to shut down the whole company or make them a super sweet offer, both require giving them a lot of money.
Just to make sure I understand, you do support employer discrimination against employees, just only for the political beliefs you find offensive. Do I understand that correctly? While I believe the only good nazi is a dead one, I alao believe the systems we set up generate the crap we have to deal with later.
The person you’re responding to is either speaking hyperbolically for Internet points or is actually too dumb to realize how stupid of a precedent that sets. Either way they aren’t worth engaging with.
I know… let’s have a spelling contest.
It’s Karl Popper’s tolerance paradox. To answer your question, yes I am in support of discrimination against anyone using their salary to fund over half the annual budget of a white nationalist political party.
I, for one, am in support of your ability to stop giving mullvad money as a consequence, but not in support of anyone being fired over a political donation regardless. I don’t want to be fired over donating to causes I support, and there is no universal moral judge to say what is fine to donate to, even if I have pretty strong opinions on the matter.
It’s also the scale of the donation for me. He didn’t just make a donation the way you or I probably would - his donation accounted for 72% of the party’s entire income for 2025. So the money that Mullvad makes is now tied to the continued existence of the party, albeit indirectly.
Very reasonable stance.
What vpn to migrate to? Proton trys to be Google 2.0 and centralize, The ones from the adverts (nord, tunnelbear, surfshark) dont protect your privacy and are therefore useless…
Anyone with more tech knowledge got a recommendation fro maximum privacy and decent enough speed and ping for hd videos and casual gaming?
I use AirVpn. Seems good (no logs, etc) and they allow payment via bitcoin.
I moved to them as they allow port forwarding when many others were dropping the option
I’m going with Nym when my Mullvad sub is up. If I can get a refund from Mullvad without KYCing myself, I’ll do so earlier.
Nym runs your traffic through 5 nodes or 2 nodes (a nixnet) depending on user selected setting. Node operators are paid in crypto based on the number of packets they handle. The CEO is an anarchist and expects to be in prison at some point. Nym is designed to continue running even if all the higher ups are in prison.
I’m not a customer, just got all this from an interview with the CEO on with TheHatedOne.
Edit: This is the interview I mentioned https://www.bitchute.com/video/uoyDTW2nxWk
Thx for the suggestion, I have seen this, the hated one is my only good source on this topic, but more than one source would be nice.
The anarchist story was one of those which sounded almost to good to be true in my ears
My Mullvad sub ended very shortly after this news broke. I paid for nym but the connection on my Android would constantly disconnect and reconnect. On my Linux PC the connection was much more stable but every time I started my PC I would have to restart the daemon because it would never auto start properly. I ended up getting an ivpn subscription as I have used them before and had no problems. I paid for the 2 year sub for nym using their $nym token so it was fairly cheap. I don’t care too much as I want to support them and hope they can improve the experience and I may use the 5 hop mixnet occasionally.
Thanks for the heads up on Nym. I’ll have a look at iVPN.
I believe you can get a 7 day free trial with nym. I don’t want to dissuade you just because of my experience.
Airvpn and ivpn are the only ones that cone across as ethical to me now. No idea re: details since I have not used either of them (yet).
They really don’t get it, it is very disappointing, but they deserve to fail now. 99% of the VPN industry is dodgy, mullvad now included.
I have had a Mullvad account for many years. I now have an iVPN acc. It’s a very simple choice for me. If Mullvad’s success results in funding far right racists then I don’t care to assist that happening
I have about 50 days left on my Mullvad subscription, so I figured I’d wait it out and see how they handled it. Going by this latest Mullvad response, I think I’ll probably have an IVPN account soon too.
Technically Mullvad didn’t fund them, it was there CEO who did it partially with money he got from working at Mullvad.
Read the blog article. They don’t even dare to call a cat a cat. Normalizing racism is endorsing racism
Gee, I wonder what the far-right thinks about letting leftists speak freely?
The conflation between a chud using mullvad vs using the profits from mullvad to fund a political party… Tf
We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance.
Some people have nurtured a radical intolerance against funding right extremism.
