its basically hell to be masking/invisible disability in this society because people bring up eugenics and ableism in small talk nowadays. its to the point where i think i will openly reveal my medical status to everybody i come across so that i will be spared of hearing about how they think people with disabilities dont deserve to live
i went 2 bed thinking of this post bc yeah its like theres some sickeningly blasé social darwinist rhetoric rhat gets passed around. on the other hand ik a lot of comrades w chronic illnesses/debilitating physical conditions also have valid feelings about their condition and the ethicality of reproduction with the risks that you pass on something like that to ur kids. w neurological disabilities i think its different but yeah i can understand the spectrum of feelings. to be clear im against any sort of forced sterilization (no duh) but i don’t like moralist arguments and i think gene therapy for in utero is fair enough and maybe that could be a solution that doesnt compromise autonomy of disabled/ill individuals to procreate. in a perfect world i guess we would have cures to most physical ailments, whereas neurodiversity wouldn’t be punished since that isn’t actually really harming the person and some other noble thoughts i cannot articulate because i dont know how
There is a difference between saying that disabled people don’t deserve to live and saying that disabled people shouldn’t be born though.
Actually, there are plenty of people who want disabled people to be born but don’t care about their material conditions after that. This kind is the worst.
i think that after the holocaust it got pretty nailed down that neurotypicals cant differentiate between those
Society should accommodate people needs so they can function and contribute
i mean, there’s classes of eugenics. the utilitarian eugenics that wants to mix and modify genetics to avoid aggravant health conditions for the future generations for science development and human betterment…
and then we have the racist cretin who uses eugenics as a pretext for their bigotry and hate.
there are differences between:
we should have healthier humans who don’t suffer from disabilities in the future, or helping the current living people to leave debilitating conditions behind
and
non-white people shouldn’t exist, we should shoot and bury people with disabilities to “stop wasting state money” and we should shoot non-whites too because they’re look ugly to me!
As a disabled person myself, my experience is the opposite. I wish my parents (who had a whole host of physical and mental diseases) had been prevented from breeding, now I wouldn’t be here suffering. And i wish I could access assisted suicide but the UK is like “No, we can’t let you die peacefully and painlessly,” while at the same time cruelly and slowly starving the disabled to death, constantly cutting benefits and making them hard to access. It’s obvious society doesn’t want the disabled and I’m sick of how hard it is made for us to survive so i wish they would just get it over with and kill me.
It seems terribly unfortunate that those who should have the say can’t possibly have the say, doesn’t it?
yes, but I suppose that’s life in general.
i care for u comrade. i wish the world was better for u
Thank you.
As someone who is autistic, it’s genuinely so sad to see not only neurotypical people advocating for eugenics but reading autistic people talk about how they would abort their child if they were autistic. I look at my life and it hasn’t been easy, but I’ve managed to overcome so many obstacles, I feel my life has meaning. I see so much of myself in many brilliant revolutionaries.
Or there are the Nuero-divergent Supremacists who go on and on about how they have super powers and how NT are sub human.
…how would you abort a child if it takes testing to determine autism? Abortion is a pre-birth thing.
It’s in regards to a hypothetical " if there was a test to determine a child would be autistic would you take it"
Thank you for the context.
im in the boat of having a very bad permanent disability that makes it difficult for me to move. theres a pretty high chance id pass it on to my kids and theyd be in similar pain, perhaps less, perhaps more. like i get that its eugenics to say i wont have kids but itd kill me to see my kids dealing with the same things i had to deal with. obviously ive been able to find happiness in my life and do not want to die anytime soon. there were points in my life where i was close to death and if the dice were rolled a different way, i would be and it would have been a tragic thing you read on a newspaper about how some 9 yr old died today.
im also kind of the opinion that genetics is overrated anyways, i intend on adopting. almost everyone is identical genetically aside from the occasional mutation, doesnt matter if the lineage gets passed on, the only lineage is the human lineage. and the human lineage has built in caretakers and adopters into our genetics. only thing that could convince me to have kids is if they had some sort of way to remove my genetic disorder from the fetus.
sadly, because of the nature of autism to mask intensely, we tend to internalize ableism even more than others.
Careful, comrade. Not everyone who smiles is friend, not everyone who scowls is enemy.
