If the Dems get a trifecta do not expect them to do anything meaningful, say it all takes too much time, and just shuffle chairs around.
Loads of people who vote Democrat are well aware that capitalism is fucked and has only ever worked for the rich. Voting for a Democrat does not imply agreeing with every party decision.
The question is whether you agree with harm reduction, accelerationism, or nihilism.
From a harm reduction standpoint, it makes sense to elect the imperfect candidate who will at least try to make things a little better. This is the same thinking that makes things like needle exchanges a good idea. Yes, maybe it would be better if no one were addicted to heroin, but given that some people are it’s probably be better to reduce the likelihood that they become a vector for blood-borne illnesses.
From an accelerationist standpoint, it makes sense to elect the worst possible candidate in the hopes that it’s jarring enough to get people to change the system. This approach of making things better by making things worse reflects the conservative tendency toward punishment as a solution. If addiction is punished and demonized, people will have a strong incentive to avoid addiction.
From a nihilistic standpoint, it makes sense to refuse to vote for anyone you don’t fully agree with. Participation in the political arena can be disregarded. This approach reflects the perspective that consequences don’t mean anything, so we might as well all share the same needle because it’s easier.
Personally, I find harm reduction to be the most beneficial option.
100% agree, although the post said nothing about voting
I mean, you’re right in the general sense, though OP’s quote does say, “liberals”, not, “those who vote Democrat”. So the implication is clearly pushing against people that think Democrats are a good choice and not simply the lesser of the two evils.
These motherfuckers would forcing HepC needles on every junkie if they could.
I always love when someone thinks the answer to problems usually being replied to with overly simplified (but wrong) answers is another equally simplified answer that surely explains everything.
The post doesn’t even formulate an answer. It just discredits the two “standard” answers provided. Why is everybody in this thread arguing with some strawman
Why is everybody in this thread arguing with some strawman
because OP provides 3 strawmen,
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No nuance allowed! We good they bad! Fuck everyone who disagrees with me!
Is that what the post is conveying tho? I know there is a lot of discourse like that on Lemmy, but I don’t see it here. Feels like a strawman
Third parties don’t win presidencies… they win city councils, state legislatures, and governorships first. That’s how political movements actually work. But posting about it on Twitter is probably fine too. #socialism
The Delusion of this guy is he thinks not voting is going to help him.
Hey Einstein, you’ve got a pedophile for president whose policy resulted in millions of deaths by starvation after USAID was cut, environmental policy which is literally decided by oil companies, dismantling of public land protections, gutting of SNAP and Medicaid, the foreign policy stance of “if I can kill people and take it I will”, all because more than 6 Million People who voted for a Democrat in 2020 decided NOT to show up in 2024.
You’re about as socialist as a hooker on crack.
OP’s quote doesn’t talk about voting except ONLY in saying that ‘liberals’ think voting in a Democrat will fix things.
It says nothing about what the ‘correct’ answer is for them, and your angst is aimed very poorly.
I think getting semantic here is a trap, it’s still serving the purpose of casting doubt on the system. Great most days, but when an election is looming this is wrecker shit.
Think the usual ‘Democrats are terrible too’ schtick doesn’t actually work well on Lemmy broadly but now we’re going to see things like this where people will start picking apart the words of the text and claiming it isn’t what it is.
We’re all, mostly, at least a good decent number of us, adults who have seen all this shit before. Yes they said liberals, liberals are centerist poo-poo-ers who want their status quo and don’t want to be associated with bad press but not much else, fuck em. But also, Capitalism isn’t going to be fixed any time soon, in the meantime, however, one party plays host to at least some number of people trying to actually improve the lives of their constituency and for fucks sake you can’t tell me they’re just as bad as the partyconsisting exclusively of people openly looting and pillaging the entirety of the nation for personal gain and bald faced cruelty.
Just downvote OP and keep an eye out for people trying to bait.
Again, OP’s post says nothing about what the “correct” answer is.
They do not even specify something along the lines of voting for the lesser of two evils. It’s a nothing-burger but insulting idiots that act like idiots, and ya’ll read what ever the hell you want into it… Sad.
The only people who deserve downvotes are those reading things that are not written there.
There is the strong implication that people who vote DNC thinking things will improve by doing so are all Liberals.
No there isn’t. All it says is, “think it will make capitalism work again”. Not, “anyone who votes Democrat must agree with liberals.”
I swear, reading comprehension is shit these days…
It’s either:
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The implication is there.
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The user depicted is dumb enough to simultaneously support the DNC and talk nothing but shit about them and their constituents.
But the end result is the same: they treat the DNC and Liberals as their enemies.
Not all people voting DNC are liberals. How the fuck is this difficult to understand??
The comment DOES NOT say, “voting for Democrats bad.” It says, ONLY that, “liberals will think voting in a Democrat will magically fix capitalism”. That’s it. That’s all.
Again, reading comprehension. Get some.
lmao cope
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It’s going to be capitalism. The question is do you want American capitalism that’s free for all, or European capitalism with worker benefits and healthcare?
European countries are installing austerity policies left and right, and have been since the 90s. They’re absolutely barrelling towards the American model in gutting their welfare states. The underlying forces that move capitalism in the direction of deep inequality[1] are endemic to capitalism itself, and are also present in whatever flavor of <adjective> capitalism you subscribe to.
[1] In short, an outsize influence of the owning class through threats of capital flight, direct lobbying, and owning the media that informs the opinions of the electorate, combined with their ability to expand this influence. This is measurable. There’s a 2014 study which shows that the positions of US politicians are pretty much exactly those of economic elites, and coincide with the wishes of the middle and working class only ever by accident (when it coincides with the wants of the economic elites, pretty much). Similar studies exist (with the same result, to be clear) for pretty much every western european country, in particular Denmark, the Netherlands, and Germany (but also others). Tfw your “short footnote” is longer than the comment itself. I feel like a regular David Foster Wallace.
What you mean is social democracy, or could also be called Keynesian economic policy. The US had it too post-WW2, there’s nothing European about it. Some European countries still have remnants, but by and large we have been moving away from it too :(
I’m not sure I would agree that Democrats care about worker benefits, tbh.
“A better world is not possible”
Mmmm yummm delicious capitalist realism.
Yea right, let’s elect another Republican and see how that goes. The Republican Party is decidedly more racist, sexist, anti-worker, anti-choice, anti-science, anti-healthcare, anti-regulatory, pro-corporate, pro-slavery, pro-fascist, pro-war, hyper-religious, authoritarian, and anti-progressive, than even the most centrist of Democrats.
This kind of “Both-sides-ism” is a ploy to further weaken perceptions of Democratic candidates before the midterms. The most neoliberal, centrist, corporate Democrats are leaps and bounds better for America since the Right’s embrace of Trumpism. Republicans are literally dismantling our government, our society, and our economy. A vote for any Republican will be a vote for Trump, no matter who the candidate, for as long as the party continues to exist, even long after his death.
Healthy democracies and economies lie in tension between a balance of opposing sides, and managed capitalism worked pretty well until we allowed extreme wealth to penetrate its guardrails. It’s time to swing the pendulum back to the more socialist policies Americans are desperate for, and yet another Republican president is a huge shove in the wrong direction.
cool story the post said nothing about not voting tho?
At this point, I am extremely skeptical of anything that criticizes the Democratic Party while Trump openly loots and destroys the country with weaponized incompetence, and every single Republican representative unabashedly enables him and profits from it.
I believe this kind of content is designed to push voter apathy by making comparisons between the two parties. There is no comparison. A debate about capitalism is relatively minor when choosing between thinly-veiled corporatism or concentration camps and open Nazism.
