It’s generally a good idea, but 50% is a bit too much, unless the US wants to nationalize them.
I’m no economist, but 5-20% of ownership doesn’t feel bad.
Yeah.
Not gonna lie, it was a terrible idea from him.
The first thing the AI Bros want, and the absolute last thing I want, is for my country and social security to get entangled in a pyramid scheme.
I’m all for collaborative AI effort (like China) or some national funding to train open models as a utility (like Europe is trying but kind of struggling to get together). I’d be alright funding “infrastructure” companies like Huggingface or Cerebras, or maybe AMD/Intel with very very specific conditions. But Bernie’s proposal is basically the worst of everything.
Glad to know I wasn’t the only one who was thinking it
The first thing the AI Bros want, and the absolute last thing I want, is for my country and social security to get entangled in a pyramid scheme.
i’ve got bad news for you then… 🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
Not gonna lie, it was a terrible idea from him.
It wasn’t his idea.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/a-plan-for-establishing-a-united-states-sovereign-wealth-fund/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/06/openais-vision-for-the-ai-economy-public-wealth-funds-robot-taxes-and-a-four-day-work-week/Knowing that the US government and these evil companies are already working together and have each other’s backs I can not imagine they will allow simply handing over 50% as Bernie suggests.
My guess is it sounds more positive and harmless when it’s suggested by the man of the people, and fighter of oligarchies.
He is priming the public.
After some debates and discussions I see the final result being that wealth fund INVESTING and BUYING 50%.
And even then Bernie will sell it as a great deal.
He talks about “the trillions of dollars potentially generated by A.I. are used to improve the lives of all of us”Of course the reality is there are no profits, on the contrary, they have massive debt.
Billions invested and for little return.
Plenty experts say stock is highly overvalued and the AI bubble will burst, another 2008 disaster waiting to happen.If they want to sell now it means the stock is at his highest price and that crash is not far.
Dumping 50% of that stock on the taxpayer will make some rich people even more rich and the public will be left holding the (empty) bag.It’s a pre-emptive bailout, nothing more.
NonCompete just had a vid on this subject recently. That it’s a continuation of the flawed concept of universal basic capital like how the capitalists stole our pension funds and gave us 401k to chain us to the markets.
I’d really appreciate it if Bernie and co would go whole hog. 50% is a half measure, whereas proposing full nationalization would be more respected on a world stage and probably in congress.
Whether we like it or not, AI is and will be a significant part of the economic infrastructure. The public must own AI like we should own roads, rail, and other strategic infrastructure that we use for our economic activity.
Of course nationalizing is the right course of action. Seeing so called communists arguing against seizing the means of production is mind boggling.
Exactly. One would think that .ml will like the idea of owning at least 50% of AI companies. It’s funny that none on the left haven’t applied, let alone evolve, Marxist ideas to try to own AI. If workplaces should be owned by workers because labour is what fuels workplace, then if knowledge from everyone is what drives AI, it is only logical that the people should also own AI.
In a socialist society, sure, absolutely. In a capitalist one, no. Nationalization does not exist outside the context of the broader state and economy. You can see an example of how socialist countries handle AI very differently with China, where it is more of a utility for public gain than private profits.
Gotcha, if capitalist countries already spy on their own citizens through technology and AI, then I am certain China won’t be doing the same since they are on the opposite political spectrum.
Nobody said the Chinese state doesn’t use surveillance, the primary difference is that China is socialist, and the working classes control the state. Nationalization in a capitalist context is under a bourgeois state, nationalization in a socialist context is under a proletarian state. These aren’t vauge “sides,” but concrete class distinctions.
Ah yes, I’m sure the Chinese working class who totally own the state love to use AI and technology to spy on themselves.
What class do you believe is in control of the state in China? Surveillance is used to cement proletarian control and root out infiltration and capitalist organizing. It’s why China executes many billionaires, and is one of the only countries in the world where the number of billionaires is decreasing year over year despite increasing per capita wealth year over year. Sarcasm isn’t a point.
Oh okay, sounds like everyone there is paranoid that their loved ones are secretly capitalists. Must have explained why from 285 billionaires in 2019, an additional 800 or so more billionaires have sprung up in China just last year. Did they eat the rich after finding out their neighbours and loved ones are capitalists, and then shat them out to produce 800 more billionaires? It sounds counterintuitive for a worker owned, socialist StAtE.
Have you considered ever bothering to actually learn what the people you oppose believe
The ml has a reputation of not being tolerant.
Good
People wont own AI, the USA goverment will. Do you people even bother to read the bill politicians propose or do you all close you eyes and hope for the best???
the USA goverment will.
Are you telling me that the US government outsourcing surveillance and insider trading with tech oligarchs, isn’t already?
Presumably, the bill will mean reining the potential harm of AI. Also, this means the American people will get direct dividends. A first step towards universal basic income. It’s not different to Alaskans getting dividends from oil revenues in their state.
Why would the bourgeois dictatorship owning more of AI help the working classes? The state is not outside class struggle, it’s a product of it and serves a definite class.
The state is not outside class struggle, it’s a product of it and serves a definite class.
Ironic.
How so?
Deepseek is Marxist AI - cheap, open source, and easily available. The lumbering U$ tech giants are trying to put off their collapse as long as they can. They will fail. Amerikkka will burn.
seizing the means of production = giving the bourgeois state 50% ownership
Yea ok
All for nationalizing the tech companies but don’t pay the billionaires to do it.
Unfortunately, you have to. It’s in the Constitution, see the Takings Clause.
During the Revolutionary War, the Continental army caused a lot of ill will by simply seizing supplies from civilians without compensation. The army was desperate. They didn’t have money. So sometimes they just took what they needed.
In response to this, James Madison made sure to write into the Constitution that the federal government cannot take any property without paying its owner the fair market value of the property. The government can take your house in eminent domain if it needs to build a highway, but it has to pay you the value of your house in exchange.
I suppose the federal government could start up its own federal AI initiative, using government-owned data centers. But there’s no way for it to nationalize the AI companies without purchasing them at fair market value. And while there are plenty of things this administration is willing to ignore the constitution for, this isn’t one of them.
Solution:
And fuck the the weird ass hick slavers that wrote itOk, so where’s your truck bomb, tough guy?
Who said I was doing anything? I just see the writing on the wall. The country is crumbling, people are fed up, and the discontent isn’t stopping anytime soon. Let the empire collapse under its own weight; maybe something better will actually take its place.
I have my concerns about Bernie being pro Isreal too. 😞
I definitely want to stop the genocide at any cost. In case that wasn’t clear.
Am I missing something comrade? Or just a misunderstanding?
Good! You still have a heart! 💫
The tech companies are basically weapons companies. Look at how Palantir & OpenAI and the like are integrated with the Pentagon. Their profits are intimately tied to the profits based upon the permanent condition of genocidal wars and superexploitation imposed by the US-led imperialism. Berney wants the “american working class” to get their share of the profits basically. Seems tantamount to a national socialism.
I want the tech monopolies and the US-empire to cease to exist. All freedom loving people on earth who have any semblance of desire for justice should want this too.
Does this make sense?
Totally makes sense comrade.
I can see why his plan is natsoc. Thanks for explaining.
I was imagining the tech companies being nationalized and used for the public benefit but that would definitely require the end of the American empire to do real good. Getting ahead of myself I guess. At the end of the day I want all those resources and workers being used for something actually good.
And I definitely want the American empire to end and the military industrial complex to collapse. 🛠️✊
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This is a bailout with extra steps and bag holders.
Socialism in a nutshell :
bernie sanders isn’t a socialist
this is a socialist meme you stupid chud
I didn’t understand it…
bernie is a fraud
Baseless accusations, nice. Who is the fraud now?
Bernie is anything but. This man has been fighting for the rights of people all his life. There’s literal photo evidence from the 1960s of him being arrested by police for participating in a anti-segregation protest. Saying this is an absolute disservice.
This man supports a fascist apartheid state committing genocide.
All it took was a simple combination of three words in a search engine “Bernie Sanders Israel” to find out that is, in fact, not the case (though I already knew beforehand). Why was that too hard for you to do? You realize by spreading misinformation you’re benefiting the very politicians you’re trying to oppose?
A socialist advocating for socialism?? WELL I NEVER!!
Socialism is when the bourgeois State owns 50% of the means of producing slop 🙄
The People’s Slop Machine
Some call it congress
I do want to push back a little bit on the anti-AI framing though. Really, I wanted to push back initially, but people are (rightfully!) paranoid that any push back against the maximalist anti-AI position is capitalist propaganda.
Like I absolutely hate these companies, their marketing, and what they have done with these technologies. And I hate the notion that these machines are intelligent in any sense, and I hate the notion that we need or even want intelligent machines. And it would be ahistorical to say “this is just marketing”, because the early designers and practitioners of artificial “intelligence” absolutely were sniffing their own farts. And I hate what AI slop has done to art and artists and the value of our art. And I hate the AI “aesthetic”. Please just do your own goddamn artwork. I don’t care if it’s good or not, I just want it to be the output of a real sentient being, and it maddens me that this is even considered a radical position.
…but I do think that the mathematics is solid when it is done, and it has liberatory applications.
math nerd shit
For example, classical statistical learning is very well-posed and mathematically careful, and has been used all the time in communications, web applications, bioinformatics, weather prediction, etc. Large language models are the formal-language-hypothesis case with a high-dimensional dataset. LLMs are not as well understood yet. Furthermore, the LLMs are usually part of a larger system. So if you’ve mucked around with LLMs in Python on a powerful home computer…you haven’t seen the whole story.
Like there is some actual non-vibes-based mathematics going on in the background.
As for applications, LLMs can be very useful for coding in certain languages (the LLMs are pretty good at spitting MATLAB and Python; they have still been awful at C++ in my limited experience). And they can be excellent for machine translation. (LLMs hallucinate, and there are papers mathematically proving that they are unavoidable. Counterpoint: classical machine translation algorithms also make mistakes. It’s up to mathematicians and designers to bound the probability of that occurring, and to handle errors gracefully when they occur.)
Emphasis here is on can be. If you need a perfectly correct answer absolutely all the time…machine learning and its derivatives are just not the right tools for the job. The mathematics says this right from the start. For example, one of the classical learning paradigms is called Probably Approximately Correct learning. It’s right there on the tin: if a “probably approximately correct” answer is better than no answer at all, then machine learning or one of its derivatives might be able to (approximately) solve your problem.
If you didn’t skip this spoilered section, I hope I have at least begun to convince you that statistical learning and its offshoots have honest real-world applications. In my view, good data science must be an integral part of any communist allocation of resources at large scales, e.g. production forecasting, weather prediction, logistics, etc.
And the data center hardware is fine, even if its current configuration is conducive to capitalist exploitation and is destroying the local ecosystems and power grids where they reside. Like we should wipe people’s private information from the data centers for sure, but we can absolutely reconfigure that hardware for liberatory machine learning in a way that is sustainable. Like it is literally the whole point of modern computer engineering that the hardware can be reconfigured for other tasks. Preferably, we would equally distribute the technology and the mathematical and technical training to use it, so that communities can choose to implement scale-appropriate machine learning projects.
The People’s Slop Machine
Yes, this would be a bad outcome, and it is possible if we seize the means of production without due regard for how it gets used in the future. But the “Slop Machine” part is not inevitable. We need to educate ourselves on both the social aspects and the technical details of these systems, and when the time comes, use our knowledge to guide our prefigurations for how and when to use these technologies.
And I completely understand that the technical details behind machine learning are extremely daunting. It’s been a multi-year project on my end, and I’m still learning. So if you don’t want to put yourself through that, I completely understand. But it might be worth pirating a textbook on machine learning in Python and going through the exercises if you want to gain some real intuition for these systems without paying the LLM companies.
more nerd shit
Raschka’s book is good if you don’t care about the theory, although it doesn’t focus on LLMs and predates ChatGPT. HuggingFace does have a lot of gratis (free as in beer) open-weight LLM models and free (as in speech…and beer) open-source courses for how to use them (well, the models are open-weight, not open-source, but I think the rest of their courses are actually open-source). I was able to run most of the courses locally on my modest hardware.
Mr. Sauron is helping me find my sword
Doubt it will happen but if it did they will blame the inevitable bubble pop and depression on socialism.
I’m cool with it.
I’d like the American public to own the percentage of ownership stake as the portion of public monies that went into the development of drugs owned by for-profit companies.
Sure, but imo if that is the starting demand then it will likely be compromised down to nothing. Maybe if the starting point is “full nationalization with no compensation to shareholders / owners” then the capitalists could be forced to hand over a part.
But in the US I don’t see how this could ever happen with publicly-traded companies short of a revolution - there’s too much mercenary solidarity from the working class and the petitite bourgeoisie to the capitalists, with anyone with a pension, any cash savings, or some entire sectors bribed out of their own class interest with crumbs from the stock market.
