The invasion was instigated by the USA they wanted Russia to invade because they thought they could easily be defeated and they could topple Putin’s regime. The United States worked for years for regime change in Ukraine, supported leftists (mostly naive anarchists) and nationalists to destabalise any government that favored Russia over the west.
Any regime that dares to stand up to the United States is an enemy. Any leftist who supports any war that NATO supports is either a fool or a willing propagandist for imperialism. The Ukrainian people don’t deserve what’s happening to them, but they should be just as angry at the western puppets as they are at Russia.
So Russians stepped into an american trap by invading a neighboring country with which they have signed a peace treaty and gave security guarantees to?
States worked for years for regime change in Ukraine, supported leftists (mostly naive anarchists)
Lol.
The Ukrainian people don’t deserve what’s happening to them, but they should be just as angry at the western puppets as they are at Russia.
Correct me if Im wrong but its Russians sending a nightly bombardment of their homes?
— Chancellor Merkel’s own testimony. In her memoirs, Angela Merkel writes with striking candor that she understood at the time of the 2008 Bucharest Summit that inviting Ukraine and Georgia into NATO would be tantamount to a declaration of war on Russia. She knew Russia’s red line. And yet she gave in to American pressure, accepting the compromise communiqué that Ukraine and Georgia „will become“ NATO members. That single sentence set in motion the catastrophes of 2014 and 2022. Merkel’s later candor is a gift to her successors: she has told you, plainly and in her own words, what was understood at the time. Germany should not now pretend otherwise.
So Germany was again collaborating with Russia against the will of central and eastern European states and Russia gives itself the right to determine what they do? We have been invaded by the Russian empire before, just as well as the Prussian.
Not what I posted. In the early 2000s this level of hostility against each other didn’t exist. It was slowly manufactured for 20 years. I urge you to go look at newspaper articles about Russia in the early 2000s
Here is an example. The levels of hostility were slowly ramped up. The american military industrial complex needs blood and manufacturing consent takes a while.
Mate, why would I care about US media? I was around in the early 2000 and we were quite concerned about Russia butchering Chechnya. To the point of being very open to Muslim refugees, which is not something Polish society ever does. Also most of the population supported joining NATO and EU against our protests, for the very reason of threat from Russia. This empire has been our oppressor for some 300 years. Go bullshit some naïve westerners, not the people who’s right to self determination you freely give away.
Okay man Russians are evil and we should start a nuclear war and sacrifice millions of lives to destroy Russia because Russia is the only country that’s islamophobic. It’s funny that you don’t care about the American media but you sure do gobble up their naratives.
You even read anything of my comments? Or you just stuck on your script where everything outside of “NATO bad Russia good” is to much to handle? For the last years we’ve been constantly hearing about what we’re allowed to do in our borders from Russians regularly threatening us with dropping the bombs on us. What would legitimate self defence be for that if we were Russian ourselves?
Cuz it sure seems like Russia is the only nation on earth blessed to do anything it wishes against the will of us all living next to its borders. All interest of Russia is above any of the people of Easter Europe, as westerners always believed. I’m so sorry to have questioned your wisdom sir.
Did I ever say Russia good? No Russia as bad as any nation state. NATO definitely bad. What I’m saying is that this war was manufactured by NATO, this has been confirmed by people who were in power, you don’t need to take my word for it. Look what Merkel herself said. The military industrial complex and a trillion dollar budget can only be legitimised if you have perpetual enemies to fight. The people of eastern Europe are just being used as cannon fodder for capitalist interests, just like Russians are cannon fodder for nationalist/capitalist interests.
Russia opposes many foreign policy projects in the middle east and other places. Syria and many other examples. Russia really doesn’t play ball.
And this probably isn’t a reason for “them” but personally I hate Putin’s Russia for spreading first climate denial and for decades not agitprop propaganda and supporting fascist actors in many European countries. Our neoliberal for-profit plutocrat owned social media network have had a massive negative effect on democracy, mostly because actors like Russia use the opportunity that profit oriented social media isn’t going to pay for moderators or detecting botnets.
I would have much preferred peace instead of the US and Nato instigating the Ukraine war (Russia simply had no choice but to attack, imagine what the US would do with a China aligned Mexico) but it’s not really like I give a shit about Putin’s Russia. It’s just that neither the Ukrainians or Russian people deserve to suffer and die, or how much wealth is transferred for this stupid war, or the long term negative consequences of a radicalized fascist Ukraine will have on Europe, or the complete conformism of all “left” media and leftists denial or reality. Anyways
When I was young, I remember talks about Russia joining NATO. We decided we needed an adversary and the MIC and the construction sector and banks love destroying countries so they can rebuild them.
The invasion was instigated by the USA they wanted Russia to invade because they thought they could easily be defeated and they could topple Putin’s regime. The United States worked for years for regime change in Ukraine, supported leftists (mostly naive anarchists) and nationalists to destabalise any government that favored Russia over the west.
https://youtu.be/LUCCR4jAS3Y
Any regime that dares to stand up to the United States is an enemy. Any leftist who supports any war that NATO supports is either a fool or a willing propagandist for imperialism. The Ukrainian people don’t deserve what’s happening to them, but they should be just as angry at the western puppets as they are at Russia.
So Russians stepped into an american trap by invading a neighboring country with which they have signed a peace treaty and gave security guarantees to?
Lol.
Correct me if Im wrong but its Russians sending a nightly bombardment of their homes?
— Chancellor Merkel’s own testimony. In her memoirs, Angela Merkel writes with striking candor that she understood at the time of the 2008 Bucharest Summit that inviting Ukraine and Georgia into NATO would be tantamount to a declaration of war on Russia. She knew Russia’s red line. And yet she gave in to American pressure, accepting the compromise communiqué that Ukraine and Georgia „will become“ NATO members. That single sentence set in motion the catastrophes of 2014 and 2022. Merkel’s later candor is a gift to her successors: she has told you, plainly and in her own words, what was understood at the time. Germany should not now pretend otherwise.
So Germany was again collaborating with Russia against the will of central and eastern European states and Russia gives itself the right to determine what they do? We have been invaded by the Russian empire before, just as well as the Prussian.
Not what I posted. In the early 2000s this level of hostility against each other didn’t exist. It was slowly manufactured for 20 years. I urge you to go look at newspaper articles about Russia in the early 2000s
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/20000306/4008777/putin-russia-could-be-a-nato-member
Here is an example. The levels of hostility were slowly ramped up. The american military industrial complex needs blood and manufacturing consent takes a while.
Mate, why would I care about US media? I was around in the early 2000 and we were quite concerned about Russia butchering Chechnya. To the point of being very open to Muslim refugees, which is not something Polish society ever does. Also most of the population supported joining NATO and EU against our protests, for the very reason of threat from Russia. This empire has been our oppressor for some 300 years. Go bullshit some naïve westerners, not the people who’s right to self determination you freely give away.
Okay man Russians are evil and we should start a nuclear war and sacrifice millions of lives to destroy Russia because Russia is the only country that’s islamophobic. It’s funny that you don’t care about the American media but you sure do gobble up their naratives.
You even read anything of my comments? Or you just stuck on your script where everything outside of “NATO bad Russia good” is to much to handle? For the last years we’ve been constantly hearing about what we’re allowed to do in our borders from Russians regularly threatening us with dropping the bombs on us. What would legitimate self defence be for that if we were Russian ourselves?
Cuz it sure seems like Russia is the only nation on earth blessed to do anything it wishes against the will of us all living next to its borders. All interest of Russia is above any of the people of Easter Europe, as westerners always believed. I’m so sorry to have questioned your wisdom sir.
Did I ever say Russia good? No Russia as bad as any nation state. NATO definitely bad. What I’m saying is that this war was manufactured by NATO, this has been confirmed by people who were in power, you don’t need to take my word for it. Look what Merkel herself said. The military industrial complex and a trillion dollar budget can only be legitimised if you have perpetual enemies to fight. The people of eastern Europe are just being used as cannon fodder for capitalist interests, just like Russians are cannon fodder for nationalist/capitalist interests.
why would the US want to replace Putin, it was the US that helped his rise to power.
Russia opposes many foreign policy projects in the middle east and other places. Syria and many other examples. Russia really doesn’t play ball.
And this probably isn’t a reason for “them” but personally I hate Putin’s Russia for spreading first climate denial and for decades not agitprop propaganda and supporting fascist actors in many European countries. Our neoliberal for-profit plutocrat owned social media network have had a massive negative effect on democracy, mostly because actors like Russia use the opportunity that profit oriented social media isn’t going to pay for moderators or detecting botnets.
I would have much preferred peace instead of the US and Nato instigating the Ukraine war (Russia simply had no choice but to attack, imagine what the US would do with a China aligned Mexico) but it’s not really like I give a shit about Putin’s Russia. It’s just that neither the Ukrainians or Russian people deserve to suffer and die, or how much wealth is transferred for this stupid war, or the long term negative consequences of a radicalized fascist Ukraine will have on Europe, or the complete conformism of all “left” media and leftists denial or reality. Anyways
Because he stopped playing ball, that’s all it takes for the US to want to overthrow you.
in what way specifically?
https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/sj32jtl6876pd8aaeb23y7pzxbyrrp
When I was young, I remember talks about Russia joining NATO. We decided we needed an adversary and the MIC and the construction sector and banks love destroying countries so they can rebuild them.