Russia has absolutely no interest in invading Europe. This is a narrative used to justify increasing European military budgets as the spoils of imperialism are drying up and the global south is gaining more independence from the US and Europe. NATO is a blight on human progress and needs to be dissolved for a better future.
So is Ukraine not in Europe or not being invaded? How about Georgia and Moldova? I guess the constant threats against Svalbard and Baltikum, as well as the funding and bribery of alt-right groups all over the west can be seen as technically not an invasion, but it does paint a scary picture.
It might be true that Putin don’t want to invade western and northern Europe, but he is actively trying to reconquer what he sees as lost western colonies.
The “invasion” began in 2014 when the US orchestrated a hostile takeover of the Ukrainian government. It was then continued with several years of the nazis in Ukraine bombing the Donbass, breaching two peace treaties. Russia then responded to that agression, which one can think a lot of things about. The “invasion” was the US-coup-government of Ukraine invading the Donbass.
I thought the biggest difference between Russian and US propaganda was that Russians knows its propaganda.
I remember I heard an interview of one of these Ukrainian Nazi leaders, Yan Petrovskiy, running much of the “Ukraine Nazi leaders civil war” where Putin later invaded. He is a Russian born in Norway.
So is the Russian propaganda getting better, or are Russians getting dumber to believe it?
What are you trying to say? That the many documented breaches of Minsk 1 and 2 didn’t happen, that Azov battalion didn’t get integrated into the military and government, or that observing the events that led to war is propaganda?
If Putin said that grass is green, then that doesn’t suddenly make it purple.
Propaganda is when you say things. Unbiased facts is when I say things. Smh all these people falling for russian propaganda, I would never fall for propaganda which is why I parrot whatever the us state department says - I make sure to preempt it with “us bad too though” so that means I’m the cleverest little boy around. Two things can be true, Occam’s razor, no true Scotsman, appeal to authority fallacy
With my eyes and ears I observe that other neighbours have been invaded for the last 18 years and Putin publicly toying with invading us as well.
We have enough with disconnecting with the US dictatorship, why would we get in bed with something similarly bad, but at our borders?
Too bad you got banned, I would’ve loved to see your sources for your claims. Putin isn’t some cartoon villain, scheming to take over the world. Ive not seen him Daydream about invading any country in Europe - though I’ve seen plenty articles fearmongering baselessly about it.
Regarding wars that involve Russia I’d love to have heard your reductive reasoning for why they happened. But you got banned because you couldn’t keep from saying some really heinous shit. Odd how often that happens
The crisis in Ukraine was sparked by aggressive NATO expansion, a western-backed Banderite coup in 2014, and the inability of Russia to resolve the ensuing civil war and ethnic cleansing committed by the new Kiev regime against the Donbass with the Minsk agreements. Russia wanted to join NATO decades ago and join the imperialist club, but the west decided it would rather re-colonize Russia, hence the reciprocation from Russia.
In that case, it seems our views on reality and sources are too far apart to find agreement in a comment thread. If you get the chance, I would highly recommend visiting the ex-soviet republics in eastern Europe and speaking with the locals, including the Russian diaspora there. That has been eye opening for me.
Most people in many post-soviet countries such as Romania say that life was better under socialism, and that’s despite 35 years of anticommunist propaganda based on cold war myths and anti-Russian racism.
Go ahead, tell us again how wonderfully well capitalism has worked for Ukraine
For the last 100 years, 91-08 are the only years of the last 100 Russia has not been invading Europe, so no one of us living on neighbouring countries are feeling your claim that they do not do what we see them doing.
14 western countries invaded Russia as soon as it had a socialist revolution, and since then have been encircling and trying to commit genocide against the Soviets. This encirclement did not stop even after socialism was dissolved.
Are you thinking of when former subjugated states fled from being so again by looking at safe havens?
The Muscovite urge to eliminate subjugated peoples like the are kidnapping Ukrainan children and raising them as russian has been a strategy for over 500 years, and are but a warning that made them flee ever harder.
No, I’m referring to the invasion by countries like France, the US, UK, Germany, etc. With the overthrow of the Tsar, the soviets frees the Russian Empire’s colonies. You are speaking of conspiracy theories and blaming modern peoples for the practices of an Empire over a century dead, and doing so along ethnic lines.
80 years ago they where allies of peace for the parts of Europe it did not take for themselves. Somewhat good for the many, but not all. They were first to free Jewish prisoners. That was very good. They were well on their way and would have won the Pacific if the bombs never fell on Japan.
That is several generations ago. For the last generation they have been working against peace, blaming former subjects from fleeing renewed subjugation.
The last and present is not the same.
Russia has absolutely no interest in invading Europe. This is a narrative used to justify increasing European military budgets as the spoils of imperialism are drying up and the global south is gaining more independence from the US and Europe. NATO is a blight on human progress and needs to be dissolved for a better future.
So is Ukraine not in Europe or not being invaded? How about Georgia and Moldova? I guess the constant threats against Svalbard and Baltikum, as well as the funding and bribery of alt-right groups all over the west can be seen as technically not an invasion, but it does paint a scary picture. It might be true that Putin don’t want to invade western and northern Europe, but he is actively trying to reconquer what he sees as lost western colonies.
The “invasion” began in 2014 when the US orchestrated a hostile takeover of the Ukrainian government. It was then continued with several years of the nazis in Ukraine bombing the Donbass, breaching two peace treaties. Russia then responded to that agression, which one can think a lot of things about. The “invasion” was the US-coup-government of Ukraine invading the Donbass.
I thought the biggest difference between Russian and US propaganda was that Russians knows its propaganda. I remember I heard an interview of one of these Ukrainian Nazi leaders, Yan Petrovskiy, running much of the “Ukraine Nazi leaders civil war” where Putin later invaded. He is a Russian born in Norway. So is the Russian propaganda getting better, or are Russians getting dumber to believe it?
What are you trying to say? That the many documented breaches of Minsk 1 and 2 didn’t happen, that Azov battalion didn’t get integrated into the military and government, or that observing the events that led to war is propaganda?
If Putin said that grass is green, then that doesn’t suddenly make it purple.
I reject reality because reality is just parroting Russian talking points.
Ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears.
Propaganda is when you say things. Unbiased facts is when I say things. Smh all these people falling for russian propaganda, I would never fall for propaganda which is why I parrot whatever the us state department says - I make sure to preempt it with “us bad too though” so that means I’m the cleverest little boy around. Two things can be true, Occam’s razor, no true Scotsman, appeal to authority fallacy
With my eyes and ears I observe that other neighbours have been invaded for the last 18 years and Putin publicly toying with invading us as well. We have enough with disconnecting with the US dictatorship, why would we get in bed with something similarly bad, but at our borders?
Too bad you got banned, I would’ve loved to see your sources for your claims. Putin isn’t some cartoon villain, scheming to take over the world. Ive not seen him Daydream about invading any country in Europe - though I’ve seen plenty articles fearmongering baselessly about it.
Regarding wars that involve Russia I’d love to have heard your reductive reasoning for why they happened. But you got banned because you couldn’t keep from saying some really heinous shit. Odd how often that happens
The crisis in Ukraine was sparked by aggressive NATO expansion, a western-backed Banderite coup in 2014, and the inability of Russia to resolve the ensuing civil war and ethnic cleansing committed by the new Kiev regime against the Donbass with the Minsk agreements. Russia wanted to join NATO decades ago and join the imperialist club, but the west decided it would rather re-colonize Russia, hence the reciprocation from Russia.
In that case, it seems our views on reality and sources are too far apart to find agreement in a comment thread. If you get the chance, I would highly recommend visiting the ex-soviet republics in eastern Europe and speaking with the locals, including the Russian diaspora there. That has been eye opening for me.
I’d love to visit if I ever get the chance, for now the best I can do is pay attention to what’s available.
i’ve been looking for a western source that the american freedom of information act doesn’t immediately prove is propaganda; do you have any to share?
here’s a tldr and a clickable link if you’ve never heard of the freedom of information act:
The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is a federal law in the United States that grants individuals the right to request access to records held by federal government agencies. This law was enacted to promote transparency and accountability within the government.
Here’s a recent article that may be relevant.
Except now it’s being used to go after potential doubters.
Most people in many post-soviet countries such as Romania say that life was better under socialism, and that’s despite 35 years of anticommunist propaganda based on cold war myths and anti-Russian racism.
Go ahead, tell us again how wonderfully well capitalism has worked for Ukraine
For the last 100 years, 91-08 are the only years of the last 100 Russia has not been invading Europe, so no one of us living on neighbouring countries are feeling your claim that they do not do what we see them doing.
I, too, hated it when those damn Ruskis invaded poor Germany. Truly one of the biggest losses for Europe /s
I agree, let’s ignore two generations of misdeeds to make them look good since they were for a few years 80 years ago ☺️
14 western countries invaded Russia as soon as it had a socialist revolution, and since then have been encircling and trying to commit genocide against the Soviets. This encirclement did not stop even after socialism was dissolved.
Are you thinking of when former subjugated states fled from being so again by looking at safe havens? The Muscovite urge to eliminate subjugated peoples like the are kidnapping Ukrainan children and raising them as russian has been a strategy for over 500 years, and are but a warning that made them flee ever harder.
No, I’m referring to the invasion by countries like France, the US, UK, Germany, etc. With the overthrow of the Tsar, the soviets frees the Russian Empire’s colonies. You are speaking of conspiracy theories and blaming modern peoples for the practices of an Empire over a century dead, and doing so along ethnic lines.
Look at this fascist over here complaining that Russia “invaded” Europe in WW2.
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80 years ago they where allies of peace for the parts of Europe it did not take for themselves. Somewhat good for the many, but not all. They were first to free Jewish prisoners. That was very good. They were well on their way and would have won the Pacific if the bombs never fell on Japan. That is several generations ago. For the last generation they have been working against peace, blaming former subjects from fleeing renewed subjugation. The last and present is not the same.
Holy Nazi apologia
Saying it again for those too busy mocking the schoolteachers to hear the lesson, let alone study it.