Sad to say, 100 is rookie numbers, especially for someone likely junior or maybe mid-level in their field. I"m senior in mine, and I applied to 54 before even getting a single phone call.
Sounds like he forgot to pick a trade and join an apprenticeship program. You don’t just get hired as a trade in Canada, you have to apprentice and nobody is going to hire you if you aren’t in the program or a journeyman already.
not true - the trades are booming and you start work immediately
If you’re a registered apprentice
not correct - you can start working and become an apprentice
You can’t work in a trade without a trade licence, and you need to complete a 4 year apprenticeship to get that.
Only licensed tradesmen can employ apprentices that’s why there’s always a shortage, it’s a guild system.
This guy is too old to start an apprentice, they are usually school students.
This depends on the trade and size of company. A mom & pop trades business may be willing to train the right candidate.
Or their friend’s son, pushing out 100’s of applicants.
Over 1000 for me. Fuck AI.
Lol 100 makes the news? I think my partner has like 3-4x that on a spreadsheet, she’s been unemployed for two years and has two masters
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That’s unironically a response she’s gotten numerous times
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education does not guarantee anything. If she has an unsuitable personality (no offense), then she won’t get a job.
As far as I can tell, it is quite rare to send hundreds of serious applications and not land a job. I know, you read all the time about it, but no one in my vicinity ever experienced this.
It’s not just personality, it’s also deportment, looks and sometimes your name. I can get a job wearing a god dam burlap sack yet my wife can’t find shit even though she has a proven track record of increasing sales by double digits anywhere she goes.
Thank fuck for nepotism! Or we’d all be fucked 😂
as someone with a personality, let me tell you a lot of Americans reallllllly don’t like you to have one at work. Especially if, like me, you are from another, non-American culture.
I am kind, funny, conversational with people - I ask about their weekends, I say good things positively, I say bad things seriously but gently. I am constantly in trouble for not “leading with the executive voice” in meetings.
Thanks for speaking up. What I have learned is, that a lot line managers have a weak personality themselves. This leads to them cutting off heads of anyone with a bit of confidence. Happened to me all the time and that was in the DACH region.
I on the other hand absolutely love confident people, because they don’t shy away from telling their own opinions. Those opinions are crucial for me to keep in touch with reality.
It’s real easy to judge the quality of someone else’s glass of water if you don’t have to drink it.
You are out of touch. Go try to land a position and report back to us how your winning personality and firm handshake got you the job.
And yet you were not able to explain what the real problem is. Go ahead and please tell me. As I and all my social contacts do not have that issue, I can only end up guessing.
But what I know is the view of HR. Seeing that 95% of all applications land in garbage, because it is so utterly obvious this person did not even remotely read the job description. Having 2 Master degrees does not change this.
Maybe HR should try reading the job description too, then maybe they’d realize it’s impossible to have 35 years experience with dotnet core.
If the company isn’t going to take honesty in writing the resume seriously, why would the applicants bother when applying?
sounds like you never applied online, pre-covid you would pretty much spending a fulltime jobs worth of time applying , first you have to craft your resume, cover letter for that job each time. you are probably making stuff up. if you are going for min wage jobs, you can expect an offer very quickly, because they are often desperate for workers.
try doing this in stem, or a masters level field. i have tracked people through linkedin from my college, and they take a long time to find a job even with experience, one person i was noticing was lying about his experiencing.
I had 4 jobs the past 6 years, all on senior level in a technical field. All of them AI or space industry.
I usually don’t apply at all and if I do, I use rezi.ai.
Now I switch to my own company, cause I am annoyed by all the employer/hr bullshit.
What is your field? Maybe yours is wildly in demand.
What it Reza and other Canadians were paid some sort of universal income?
I know, crazy talk. Let’s keeping giving corporations and billionaires tax cuts, sell off natural resources, and privatize everything. Surely, neoliberalism economics will get us out this mess.
handsome state handouts for the rich and rugged individualism for the rest of us
100 only?
I’m at 200 and had a single introduction interview with no results.
5 years ago I had 20 applications and got literally 30 interviews as the word spread that I was available somehow. Recruiters were relentless.
Now? 5 years later?
Nothing
What profession
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learn a trade - they’re booming & AI proof
Unfortunately not true. Maybe not in the next let’s say decade, but there are companies currently producing robots that can do HVAC work for example, but the larger risk is remote control robotics to employ someone from a far cheaper country. This has started taking over medical already and will come for other fields before the AI risk will.
Robots have been just about ready to make me unemployed for decades now.
Yeah sure they pretend that’s what’s happening to developers right now, but we all know the truth.the trades ARE booming, with demand across all of them, and you’re worried about robots 10 years out?
pick a trade you like and you will find employment
Yes generally I think about long term viability to a field. I plan to still be here in 10 years. Although I added that statement to be less alarmist. Those robots exist today. Go ahead and enjoy the competition of everyone flowing into trades though. Will be the same disaster facing college graduates today in less than 4 years.
so…you admit there are jobs, but worry it will be bad in 4 years?
either you are being intentionally negative, or unintentionally negative about the trades - regardless, this conversation is done
cheers
I agree that there are jobs and have been jobs for trade and non trade jobs yes. In terms of numbers Ai has not taken jobs from anyone, but rather has been used as reason for layoffs as it sounds better than financial woes in these organizations. This is also supported by research/data. The current number of jobs is also consistent with what they were pre COVID inflation.
Again yes I am concerned about what is coming because I am a forward thinking person. I make plans because hopping fields is expensive to do. I am not sure why this is such a surprise for you? I am not sure how I was being negative about the trades at all. I’m just saying it’s not a silver bullet to the upcoming career crisis if we are to believe AI is actually a threat. What may be a concern for some fields now it’s only going to either broaden directly because of that same threat or because of oversaturation as those who were once in their own careers no longer can and look for work elsewhere that had not yet had the rug pulled out from under them. You can chose to ignore that I am saying and that’s fine, but sticking your head in the sand doesn’t stop this from approaching.
the trades are free and you get paid immediately
god luck
Licensure is not free at least here in the US nor are the materials to acquire it. The cost is not just getting into the job though, you have to consider the cost of leaving a job that could have been better paying that maybe no longer exists. Someone with a family that just is not a real option. Now apply this “just go into a trade” logic to everyone who has lost their jobs or wants to have something better than they currently do and you’ll run out of trade jobs very fast. Same problem as today but different lens. Then what?
I’m not sure he knows much about the trades. Trades are lead by licensed/ ticketed workers. Repairs and solutions must follow codes. Lot more to it than most people think. Robots can do tasks like welding or repetitive tasks but they can’t trouble shoot nor do they make sense for one time projects.
AI robots would require a lot of detailed accurate information and aren’t able to look at abstract physical objects like Date from Star Trek.
I work maintenance in a factory.
I will admit I do not work in trades so I won’t pretend to, but I am aware of licensure and unions. To this you are correct they are a great strength and benefit to these fields and jobs that have really helped these individuals retain their jobs and skills. With robotics and AI specifically no they cannot replace these individuals currently; however, there has been a push to deregulate which would not overnight ruin these careers but it will encroach. We can see an example of this in Texas where they removed the requirement of bar exam for legal jobs, and we have seen more of a push to use non traditional means in this position. So while I agree these jobs have some current protection it may be only temporary if these are the same people who are willing to trash other career fields over automation. We do have a bit of a gray area though around the remote form of robotics that are controlled by a human possibly even one with licensure.
I have however work in robotics. Most robots are exactly as you say in a factory and not really that capable, but this is very rapidly changing as we create robots more and more capable of general tasks and dexterity. The robots that I have seen designed specifically for HVAC jobs are not particularly great yet compared to their human counterparts are very skilled at the few things they can currently do and I’m not talking about like ones in a factory I’m talking about ones deployed on a home call to work on someone’s air-conditioning system. These are the ones that I am concerned about, and for those that aren’t you will be. It very well could be long in the future but companies are taking steps to do this as soon as they can and it spreads so far beyond just trade jobs.
The current state of AI as LLMs is pretty low risk as far as I am concerned for any skilled worker. Won’t change any time soon either, but we know why they are doing this. Our corporations have exposed their true end motives. They full and well would rid themselves of every employee if they could. None of us know what the future is going to look like, but thinking it’s not going to spread beyond software or unskilled work is not going to end well. What starts as the incapable robot in a factory iteration after iteration is suddenly capable. We now have the tech to make these a reality where even half a decade before we did not. The only hurdle is the legal side of things to which we see movement to dismantle even if only a little at a time. Most people seem concerned about full on automation/AI but that’s not the near term threat. It’s remote physical labor. Again look at the medical field and 7/11 using robots to restock their shelves. Neither of those are AI, but are taking jobs from the US annually. One at a time step by step headcounts are reduced. This won’t be a sudden torrent, but a trickle.
apprentices start working immediately, led by licensed/ticketed journeymen
your language and approach to this make me think you are not having this conversation in good faith, and are in fact attempting to sow confusion and uncertainty about how easy it is to join a trade and how significant the demand is
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Fully agree here. They were not in good faith, and made a lot of assumptions with little articulation. Their argument works well for a single individual in a vacuum but you apply that to everyone with job loss and it falls apart. Thank you for your statement.
From the article:
He’d like to move into construction — siding, roofing, interior work — but the sector’s downturn has narrowed his options at the worst possible time.
It also says he’s looking for some one to hire him and train him. College courses are a good place to start and show your interested and committed to a field.
This is a blatant lie for the sake of convenience. I on the regular am working 60-80 hrs weeks and so do my coworkers because we can’t find enough skilled trades. And the companies that hire us can’t find enough contractors. Go get your creddit card out spend 5k on a small gas welder, spend another $300 on a few boxes of welding rod. Spend a week fucking around and sticking scrap together. That, welder will be paid of in 6months. Don’t want to weld. Okay go download the eaton hydraulics catalog. Learn about fittings, hoses how to mesure and identify.It’s free online. Find your local hydraulics supplier, parker/eaton/danfoss/amazon/princess auto. Go spend like $500 on wrenches and some sockets. See a piece of heavy equipment. At a job site, drop your name and number at some point, they are going burst a hose/ rip off a fitting, need to install an attachment, fuck up a pump.
From an employers standpoint, if you aren’t willing to even invest anything into yourself to make your own life better, why the hell should I. If I see a some one who is atleast trying to learn and invest energy and effort into building a better life, (not just submit the same resume over and over that they wrote 3 years ago) damn straight I’m going to help them get there.
Why am I responding to this AI crap.
All that would get you is a minimum wage job which you could get anyway without spending all that money.
Without a trade certificate you are a labourer.
Lol this guy. Ai crap. Another one to blame and bitch about how you won’t get better if you try. Look at you giving up already. Boo hoo just a labourer. Yeah a labourer with a fucking job. And there’s alot of labourer jobs out there that pay damn well.
skilled trades
The trade needs skill, and the number of people who show up, experience a day, and ghost because the job requires manual work is pretty high and return to driving for Amazon and complaining about it.
Theres a lot of shitty employers too, but there’s a large number of people who just want to collect a cheque in exchange for dropping off packages.
People are scared to even try to work hard these days. Worst yet, they don’t and never will know what they are capable of, what amazing shit they can do with their hands. I always say, if a dumb fuck like me can do it. There’s no way you can’t.
For the low low price of 10k and 6 months of free time you too can get a job!
Case and point. Not willing to do better for your self why the fuck would anyone else try to help you get further. It actualy blew my mind when I first started how many helping hands magically appeared as if from thin air when they saw me trying to get ahead and busting my ass off. The trades might be full of assholes. But most of those assholes won’t let you drown.
How do you think an average person has 10k and 6 months of living expenses just laying about. People who need jobs aren’t sitting on cash buying avocado toast.
There is a difference between not willing and not able.
It simple work a few more hours in a week, fuck your Friday night plans because your working. Fuck your plans on Saturday and Sunday and all the other hours of the week, fuck watching that new series on because your working. And when you get ahead. You sure can do what you like. It’s not impossible, yall just been defeated before you left gate.
Also 10k is way too much. Find something used for 1/4 of that price.
THIS WAS ADVICE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE A JOB!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING??? I FEEL LIKE ICE TAKEN CRAZY PILLS!!!
The solution to not finding a job is easy, just find a job that supports you with 40 hours, but also pays you for unlimited overtime so you can do this crazy become a welder diy scheme I came up with.
Wow it’s so easy! I also realised you can cure depression by just not being so damn sad anymore!
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It’s funny that they went to the news.
100 applications is nothing.
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He’d like to move into construction — siding, roofing, interior work — but the sector’s downturn has narrowed his options at the worst possible time.
That we have a housing crisis and a construction sector downturn and people wanting to work in it and struggling to find work tells you everything you need to know about the insanity of the profit-first economic system we have.
There is a widespread social need, there is infrastructure, and there are people ready to work to fulfill the need. The only hiccup seems to be that some ghoul can’t make enough of a buck out of it. This is market failure. The government should be stepping in, and hiring and training people to build non-market housing.
What a fucking waste capitalism is.
I dont get it. I apply for 1-2 positions and then fight off emails and phone calls for weeks afterwards because some asshat puts me on a job board.
“For a couple of years, Mahmoudian worked as a home energy advisor — a self-contractor who says he used to put in 70-hour weeks. However, most of the government incentives that sustained that work, including the Canada Greener Homes Loan program, have ended, and business has dried up”
That paragraph says an awful lot, if you read what is NOT said. Reads like he made his money in the past by sweet talking people into applying for government handouts. Government money dried up, and he has no skills to work at a ‘real’ job.
I really think they picked the wrong person to highlight in the article to make their point.
Those consultants in that role are functionally and practically useless.
Yea they are door to door salespeople basically filling out forms for you.
They don’t answer emails or calls, and when they do answer emails they are incomprehensible, like: “Send form X-3H9119” with no explanation.
Fuck those consultants. But also fuck the system that created them.
In the very next paragraph they talk a about how he’s trying to work construction but there is a downturn.
Ring ding ding. That’s what all these people who can’t find work after putting in 100s of applications have in common. No actual real skills, no ability to perform, bad attitudes. Fuck had a guy come in all “Yeah I’m the best at this and that” told him to take a hike after a week because he was shit.
Has he actually set foot in a single business?
That’s not how it works anymore. Are you 75?
No. I’m employed.
100 seems kinda mild? I think it took me closer to 1500 to get a job.
This is not encouraging for myself.
What field would that be? I changed jobs some time ago and all it took was calling the recruiter who found me the job before the one I was holding, one interview and I had a proposal. Industrial automation.
