• FishFace@piefed.social
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      5 months ago

      It’s very popular to wail about how the UK is a police state. I guess it’s because the UK is culturally close to the USA, but different in some ways, so people become most aware of those differences, no matter how big they truly are. And Americans are very bad at comparing their own country to others, so an article about how many cameras there are in the UK or in London does not necessarily get such a comparison; it only decries the situation abroad.

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        Yeah I had never seen a comparison before. My expectation was just based on the amount of news I see on surveillance in a given area.

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    5 months ago

    CCTV isn’t a problem. It’s mass surveillance that’s the problem. As the saying goes, “show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”. With enough information the state can always find something to turn their political enemy into a criminal. The government should not be able to do that with a mere flick of the wrist.

    If anything a higher number of CCTV’s is a good thing, assuming the number of all types of camera combined remains constant between cities.

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      CCTV is the problem. Mass surveillance has to be stopped at the source. Just like the only way to guarantee a company won’t leak your ID or other personal info is to not let them have it in the first place, the only way to ensure a recording of you isn’t used for tracking or other malicious purposes is to not be recorded to begin with

      How to actually do this I have no idea. But even if a company or government is legally bound to not use CCTV footage for nefarious purposes, there’s little actually stopping them

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      5 months ago

      I mean, if you think there is a low rate of cameras in Chinese cities you haven’t been there or spoken with anyone from there about it… yes the number is sensationalist and no way to verify

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      5 months ago

      I don’t know about Russia but China is a very strong surveillance state. The US is also pretty bad and currently getting worse so don’t go on a BUT THE US!!! rant trying to defend China with whataboutism.

    • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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      5 months ago

      yeah i mean what other reason is there to include them if you don’t have actual data.